Matthew Cox

And I thought,

his podcasts have 6,000 views, 7,000 views.

Like this is not going to be big.

And I don't really, but then again, I don't really know anything either.

And what I didn't realize, I didn't really know how YouTube worked.

So I had looked at the most recent videos and they're like two weeks old and they, they have 12,000 and 7,000 views, not realizing he had videos on there that had 800,000 views, 1.1 million views.

So,

I was like, okay, he said, you're super interesting and you're a great storyteller.

He said, you said you want to start a true crime podcast.

I was like, right.

He said, you really need to post something on your YouTube channel now.

He said, start a YouTube channel and post something now, just talking about how you're going to start a podcast.

If this does well, you'll get a bunch of subscribers.

He said, if you can, maybe even start telling your story on your channel.

And I was like, no, I want to do it where I have a production company do it.

Music.

And I want to, you know, and I don't have the cameras.

And he goes, well, you've got an iPhone.

I was like, I don't want to do that with my iPhone.

Like, oh, like I don't even know.