Matthew Cox

And, um, the, the method we would use was, you know, for the most part, you would have all these white pieces of paper, tons of white paper and stuff like that.

And there was so much of that, but we would look for the post-its and the shipping labels and put those together.

Because post-its typically have the most important information in your office or on post-its.

You're not going to have it on a big old white piece of paper, right?

So we will put the post-its together.

We will put shipping labels back together, like FedEx labels that you decided not to use or whatever.

And we'd have those and we would start assembling potential targets, potential warehouses.

And, you know, also, you know, looking up corporate records and property records for the owners and things like that to see what else, what other corporations they own and also,

you know, does this company have another location?

It's a warehouse.

And we would keep doing that.

We would trace it up.

And then we would put the surveillance team on it.

And once the surveillance team is on it, we got to see the different steps in the process.

And I'm thinking about this particularly, this one massive Calvin Klein case, where we actually followed them and we located all of the parts of the process, including

You know, once the denim came into the US, I believe from Mexico, the denim would come in and it would go to a cutting shop, a shop that just cut the pieces.

Then another shop that would dye the denim and another shop.

It was, you know, it's exactly how the jeans industry works today.

It's just with counterfeits.

And then they would go to a shop that does the sewing and the finishing.