Matthew MacDougall

Yeah. And so I always find it interesting to look to primatology, look to our closest non-human relatives for clues as to how humans are going to behave and what particular humans are able to achieve. And so you look at... chimpanzees and bonobos. They're similar, but different in their social structures, particularly.

I went to Emory in Atlanta and studied under Franz De Waal, the great Franz De Waal, who was kind of the leading primatologist. who recently died. And his work at looking at chimps through the lens of how you would watch an episode of Friends and understand the motivations of the characters interacting with each other, he would look at a chimp colony and basically apply that lens.

I went to Emory in Atlanta and studied under Franz De Waal, the great Franz De Waal, who was kind of the leading primatologist. who recently died. And his work at looking at chimps through the lens of how you would watch an episode of Friends and understand the motivations of the characters interacting with each other, he would look at a chimp colony and basically apply that lens.

I went to Emory in Atlanta and studied under Franz De Waal, the great Franz De Waal, who was kind of the leading primatologist. who recently died. And his work at looking at chimps through the lens of how you would watch an episode of Friends and understand the motivations of the characters interacting with each other, he would look at a chimp colony and basically apply that lens.

I'm massively oversimplifying it. If you do that, instead of just saying, you know, subject 473, you know, through his feces at subject 471, you talk about them in terms of their human struggles, accord them the dignity of themselves as actors with understandable goals and drives, what they want out of life.

I'm massively oversimplifying it. If you do that, instead of just saying, you know, subject 473, you know, through his feces at subject 471, you talk about them in terms of their human struggles, accord them the dignity of themselves as actors with understandable goals and drives, what they want out of life.

I'm massively oversimplifying it. If you do that, instead of just saying, you know, subject 473, you know, through his feces at subject 471, you talk about them in terms of their human struggles, accord them the dignity of themselves as actors with understandable goals and drives, what they want out of life.

And primarily it's, you know, the things we want out of life, food, sex, companionship, power. you can understand chimp and bonobo behavior in the same lights much more easily.

And primarily it's, you know, the things we want out of life, food, sex, companionship, power. you can understand chimp and bonobo behavior in the same lights much more easily.

And primarily it's, you know, the things we want out of life, food, sex, companionship, power. you can understand chimp and bonobo behavior in the same lights much more easily.

And I think doing so gives you the tools you need to reduce human behavior from the kind of false complexity that we layer onto it with language and look at it in terms of, oh, well, these humans are looking for companionship, sex, food, power, And I think that's a pretty powerful tool to have in understanding human behavior.

And I think doing so gives you the tools you need to reduce human behavior from the kind of false complexity that we layer onto it with language and look at it in terms of, oh, well, these humans are looking for companionship, sex, food, power, And I think that's a pretty powerful tool to have in understanding human behavior.

And I think doing so gives you the tools you need to reduce human behavior from the kind of false complexity that we layer onto it with language and look at it in terms of, oh, well, these humans are looking for companionship, sex, food, power, And I think that's a pretty powerful tool to have in understanding human behavior.

Right. Breeding rights often go with... Alpha status. And so if you can get a piece of that, then you're going to do okay.

Right. Breeding rights often go with... Alpha status. And so if you can get a piece of that, then you're going to do okay.

Right. Breeding rights often go with... Alpha status. And so if you can get a piece of that, then you're going to do okay.

Yeah, I think that's true.

Yeah, I think that's true.

Yeah, I think that's true.

Basically, the moment I got to college, I started looking around for labs that I could do neuroscience work in. I originally approached that from the angle of looking at interactions between the brain and the immune system, which isn't the most obvious place to start. But I had this idea at the time that