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The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Because, I mean, even just going with Helluland, Markland, and Vinland, it's like, okay, cool. So this one's probably Baffin Island and maybe Northern Labrador. This one's definitely Labrador. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they talk about something like on the land was on the starboard. And you're heading south, which means that it could have been anything.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It's it's on the OK, but so that means that they at that point in the story, they're not heading south along the coast of Newfoundland, at least not on the west side. But nothing on the east side of Newfoundland actually matches what they're talking about.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And in order for them to get to Nova Scotia. They kind of have to. you know, go down past Newfoundland, either that, or they have to not go to Newfoundland at all, keep going along the southern coast of Labrador and Quebec, and then cross the St. Lawrence and end up going around New Brunswick.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. And, you know, you know what else was a package deal?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Which is not what they described doing. Yeah. It's... It's frustrating. I think the most likely outcome here is that you had a number of traditions, a number of stories that involved going to North America, and they kind of got subsumed into one. I think it's very possible that Torf and Carlsefni did not land in the same place as Leif Erikson or that there were people after him.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
We have this story in 1347 of a bunch of people showing up saying that they had gone to Markland. Like, none of these... Like I said, the thing that perplexed me, the thing that got me to start off looking into this and do the video was how little sense it made to me that the Norse would have gotten to North America, seen what they did, and then not come back.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Because Greenland, everybody's like, oh, the Greenland colony failed. It took it 300 years to do that. Yeah. Like people stayed in Greenland for 300 years, knowing that just to the West, there was a much nicer place to live. Do we know what the failure was in Greenland? Yeah, it was a mix of things. I mean, just there's really not a ton of reasons to live in Greenland.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
No, like not long, like a week and a half, two weeks.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I was going to say Europeans getting to America and bringing diseases with them, except that one time. But yes, close enough. That was the transition. The one time would be apparently, you know, we don't have evidence of a mass extinction event in Newfoundland. See, you know how I was complaining about how I can never do anything right? Yeah, that's another one.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Like a week and a half, two weeks. So you could get, you could get from Norway to Greenland in four weeks.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, three to four weeks.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It's hard to say exactly, but decent enough.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Again, I wouldn't be able to tell you that.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
100 what, people? Yeah. The bigger ships that we find from the later periods, we're talking the 11th and 12th centuries, 30 to 40 crewmen. Okay.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
They crossed the North Sea with no problem. Understood. Norway to England. Understood.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The route from Norway to England did not go down south to Denmark and then over the coast. It was Norway to England.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
We have more stories about ships accidentally being blown across the Atlantic and back to Ireland than we do ships sinking.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
That's the other thing is that like Viking long ships weren't built the way that later ships were, where it was all kind of like flush to one another. They were clinker built.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
So when panel, panel, panel, panel, they were extremely flexible. They were extremely durable and they were fast as hell.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. According to the sagas, they did that.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
But that's the thing. This part of the crossing is the least amount of time spent in the North Sea.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And then you're along the coastline.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
A whole bunch of Canadians were like, I can't believe you're pronouncing it Newfoundland. It's Newfoundland. And then a whole bunch of Canadians are now in my comments being like, it's Newfoundland, not Newfoundland. I think they're just screwing with me. And you know what? More tariffs. Tariff them for that, too.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It was just kind of the way of life. They had no problem doing it to get. That's the thing, though. They had no problem doing that from Iceland to Greenland, and there was much less reward in Greenland.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The Greenland colony was there for 300 years.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It doesn't make sense. Also, I mean, it would make a lot of sense if they were getting the wood for the Greenland colony from North America. Yeah. It was a shorter trip to go from the eastern settlement in Greenland to Labrador than it was to go from the eastern settlement to Iceland. And Iceland didn't have as many trees.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
They had to be getting wood from somewhere.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
They could have brought all of their wood from Iceland. Or... It could have been coming from Markland.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Now, if it was coming from Markland, there were probably at least part-time settlements there.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
So it would suggest that there's something we're missing. Yeah. I can understand not going as far south as New Brunswick.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I can get that. But at the very least, Labrador makes a lot of sense.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It depends which journeys. The one with Torfen Karlsefni is described as having women and children. Or at the very least, women.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Again, there's a reason... The reason I'm just, like, not reactive to this is that this was normal for them.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
This was just the way of life for the Norse. That was what they did.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
So it makes sense that they... It makes more sense that they would set up a settlement than that they wouldn't. Which is why I'm thinking they probably did. And we just haven't found them yet.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Because, again, I can understand not doing Newfoundland, but Labrador was close. And maybe they really did. And the thing is, if the sagas are accurate in the extent that, like, they describe the casualties accurately, they weren't losing many men at all. Like, compared to the casualty rate of just living in Greenland from cold and starvation and sickness... the Vinland colony did well.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It also, the archaeological evidence suggests that it was inhabited for intermittently for years, like a couple of decades, which suggests that it was being used on and off for various reasons. Just what were they? What was the extent of the settlement there? It doesn't seem like it was a ton of people. It seems like there was more to it, you know, and that's,
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, and it's doing nothing for the algorithm. So you know what? Apparently it is considering the second video. You guys couldn't behave. We're not just taking Greenland. We're taking Newfoundland, too. And if Iceland doesn't watch themselves, I personally am taking Iceland.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
That's why I got frustrated towards the end of the video. I was like, can somebody just fund this? Because it is so odd to look at all of it and come to the conclusion that they set up this one colony really far south and didn't set up anything in between. That does not make sense. I mean, when you look at the Norse history, they get to England and what do they do? They immediately set up.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It is much more dangerous. They lose hundreds of lives, but they bring women and children.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
They never left. Do you know why we have the word eggs? No. When the German word is Eiren, it's Danish. The word weak used to be Wach. Then the Norse got here and it became Weker. Weaker. Weaker. They never left our language, our genetics, our archaeology. Everything displays that when the Norse got here, they never left. The Norse got to Iceland and they never left.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The Norse got to Greenland and some of the accounts suggest that there was conflict with the Inuit. But the biggest problem was that Greenland just wasn't a very nice place to live. So why stay in Greenland for 300 years? when every single generation is struggling, when you're dying despite having enough food to feel full, because seal meat just ain't enough. You need more than that.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
One of the ways that it makes sense is if you consider that they were coming to the mainland.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
But where? I think that I... I think Lake Melville is a spot that would make a lot of sense. It is a natural harbor. It's very much shielded from the sea. It's green. I mean, you've still got foxes and sea otters. You can have river otters. You've got all sorts of pelts. You have everything you could possibly need as a Norseman. And you stay in Greenland? Why? So I don't know.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Germ, germ self?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I don't I don't I just don't like that explanation. But, you know, I wonder what I titled the show, too, is like what would have happened if they had stayed? And I think that's the more interesting question, because if you look at first of all, I I don't think that they that you would have seen the same issue with illness that you saw when the French, Spanish and English got here.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
First of all, the Norse had a much more clean culture. And this is... The idea that medieval people and early modern Europeans didn't bathe is complete nonsense. It is literally just fiction. But... The Norse were a lot more intense about it. So were the Celts. Both of those groups, they were very clean. They bathed as frequently as possible. They made sure to wash their hair.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
They took good care of their hair. Cleanliness was a part of life. And they lived so far north that a lot of southern European diseases, things that would be common with the Spanish... weren't as big an issue. They did not have rats on board their ships the way that you did some of these larger seafaring vessels that made the Middle Passage.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
We also don't have any evidence that after these recorded interactions, there were mass die-offs of the native population. Some have suggested that the reason for the conflict was that in the saga of the Greenlanders, it's not red cloth that gets sold to the natives, it is milk. And one of the ideas is the natives all drank the milk. They weren't lactose tolerant.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I am of Welsh ancestry.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And so they had tummy problems and they thought they'd been poisoned. So that led to the conflict, which I think is considerably more realistic than the version given in Eric the Red, where they come by and they're like waving a certain thing a certain way. And the Norse hold up a white shield. And somehow everybody knows what this means.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Like the world building in the saga of Eric the Red is terrible. Makes no sense. But I wonder, you know, if they had gotten here and disease hadn't been an issue. What happens? Because a big part of the reason that European colonization was successful was the inadvertent spread of disease. It wiped out most of the population.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I mean, that was the primary killer of the Native Americans when the Europeans got here was disease. So if you don't have that, you probably don't have nearly as much expansion, at least not so quickly. The Norse also were a lot more coastal. They never really settled all that far inland. So what do you have? Do you have a Norse empire that expands because it is technologically superior?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
She'd be no problem.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
They're never going to be numerically superior because there's just no way of doing that. But... if they had gotten over here, what happens when you have... Let's say that the settlement in Newfoundland survives, and it thrives even, and it gets to a point where there's several thousand of them. As technology develops in Europe, that settlement is going to have a very easy time.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Of getting more and more. Powerful. As compared to the natives surrounding it. Or. Does it become essentially a trade hub. Where the natives are providing. Furs and. New world resources. That aren't as plentiful over there. If they had gotten far enough into the Great Lakes. They would have found massive copper deposits.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, that's a deep one that you got. You got to know a lot about Wales.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I almost wonder because when you look at the Norse way of doing things, they typically intermingled with the local population. They had no sense of racial purity. They would marry English women. They would marry Irish women. They would marry Welsh women, French women. To them, it was a cultural thing. Are you culturally Norse? And that was all that really mattered to them.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And then once they adopted Christianity, it was even less of an issue. It was, are you Christian? Okay, cool. You can be part of us. So I wonder if the Vinland settlement had grown, if it had become a large, bustling, thriving European city in the new world... What would have happened several hundred years down the line? Would there have been a more concerted colonization effort from the Norse?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Would we have a large Norse country in Canada? And would it have clashed with the other European powers later on? Or would they have just had the leg up to begin with? I think they probably would have intermingled. There probably would have been a lot of intermarriages. And once they found iron deposits, it would have been over.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Good evening, fair gentles.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
There's somebody in our Discord who wanted to be referred to as it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Like I that's part of what drives me up a wall when you look at the situation is they were that close to the entire course of modern history changing. And they just left.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Uh, Greenland, there were some Inuit they encountered, but... That was it. Yeah, Iceland, there were a few Irish priests, and that was about it. Monks.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. And they slaughtered them. Sure. Without trouble.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I read most of a book today. Yeah, I got if I seem a little off, it's because I read most of a book today.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
But that clashes with the culture. I mean, they were all about being the first person to do this, the first person to find this. This was an exploratory people. It was a point of pride for them. It was how you cemented your name in the sagas, was by doing something cool. Mm-hmm. I just don't understand how somebody didn't think, let's send an expedition. Let's send a thousand people over there.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Couldn't have done that from Greenland. You could have done it from Iceland. You definitely could have done it from Norway, England, Ireland, Sweden. I mean, and that's, if you look at the crossing to Ireland, it took about two weeks to get from Norway to Ireland.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
When they got to Ireland, they encountered people who had steel weapons, written language, fortified cities, basically everything they had, and they still fought them. If they had gone to North America, yeah, the trip is twice as long, but there is nobody to fight. Because the only people who are there to fight you don't even have armor. Their weapons are made of stone.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Not that kind of fried. No, like I'm not blazing it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
As long as you have a few guards standing around wearing chain mail, you're basically invincible. It would have been like knights on steroids. It's like driving an Abrams tank into North Sentinel Island. There's just no competition there. And yet they didn't stay. Unless they did... in which case I, I then point out the tendency they had to assimilate and to assimilate people into their groups.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Um, But then there's the caveat that we don't have stories about them. We don't have stories about them from the Abenaki. Listen, the prophecy of the seven fires might have something to do with the Vikings, but it's by no means certain. The Iroquois get up into the Quebec area sometime in the 1400s. They don't talk about any white people. the Mi'kmaq don't talk about any white people.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Hell, the Inuit barely talk about white people. And they were, like, interacting with them routinely. I don't know. Something about it just doesn't seem right. It doesn't feel... What do the Inuit say? They just have stories about fighting them. They also do have one that's about the...
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
But I am more of a refried bean than a chimichanga currently.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And this is the confusing part is because it's like, is this about the Vikings or is this about the Danes coming back in the 1700s? They have a story about a woman whose father was forcing her to get married, but she didn't want to get married. So she married a dog and she had some kids that were like white skinned and they went east across the sea. And this is a Greenland Inuit tale.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And then they had some that were half dog and they went west into Labrador. Make all the jokes you want about the dog people going to Labrador. But the idea is that the the white skin children eventually came back as the Danes.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
That's to be fair. We also probably could have learned more stuff if we'd taken a slightly different approach.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Super chats that come in up until 745.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
So it really depends.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, true. But that's the thing. If a Norse settlement established itself and they gifted a steel axe... to a local tribal chieftain. That would have still been there 400 years later. They would have held on to it, and it would have been something that when the Europeans came back, they would have been like, oh, wait, we've seen you guys before. One of your kind brought us this.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And then you would have had some English guy looking at it going, that is a Danish axe. It didn't happen. Yeah, again, like, there's... One of the bigger problems is just that we... there could be evidence we haven't found.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I don't know. I'm bugged about it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Agreed. Oh, my God. We went beyond where I expected us to go.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Okay, yeah. No, we can go to Super Chats. Sorry, guys. I know I'm a little frazzled all over the place. I just have been reading all day, and my brain is currently on Brianna Malin.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
You guys are entirely too generous. Not complaining at all. Just sometimes I'm like, oh my God, it's still going.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It's more than I read in college.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I'm not having a good time.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Hit the air horn. It was the closest thing to a boo.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I can look for it. This is part of the problem is... We basically, what I'm seeing is we just have to go back to being a missing persons channel and this great experiment in trying to do something other than what the algorithm gods want us to do. You know, this experiment in trying to give our audience what they want is apparently not working out.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, it's been very confusing. I'm not happy. Let us know in the comments what you'd like to see as a Patreon exclusive, because we were talking about that before the show. Liquor lore is something that we keep forgetting to do. We'll get better about that. I think we just gotta shoot, like... We just gotta commit to doing that on a certain weekend each month. But...
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
At this point, JonBenet Ramsey, but YouTube doesn't want me to do that either. You know what? I say screw it. We have to make an income. Oh, I know. We're not doing that right now. So if you two wants to get their shit together and tell us what to cover, it'd be great.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And Northwoods is well known enough that I could cover that without worrying.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I'm going to look it up really quickly to remember the details.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I believe it's a false flag thing.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Proposed false flag operation that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense in 1962. Proposed a call for CIA operatives to both stage and commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blame them on the Cuban government, and use them to justify a war against Cuba. Which sounds oh so very familiar.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
That's crazy. This idea was in 62. Ah. Yeah. Crazy.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I don't know. It bothered... That one I had trouble with.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
His head just did that.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, I knew exactly what your username was. Yeah, I know. When you guys are in here and you interact with us, we recognize you. We remember who you are. Yeah. Like a few of you, Tyler Dalrymple showed up, A7X showed up. I'm sure there were a few other yous in there, but it's just been a few days and I've been exhausted. So no, when you guys show up and other stuff, we know you're there. Yeah, 100%.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
We love to see it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Really quickly. Speaking of Karl's. Yeah. We met Karl Benjamin outside of our hotel and apparently he watches our show. Yeah. Which was pretty cool. So, uh, Karl, if you're watching shout out, that was, that was cool to meet you. You're a nice guy.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, no, it was just kind of goes like, oh, no way.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. He was a very polite British gentleman.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, that was more of an Irish accent that you just did, but... I didn't even try to do an accent. Well, it came out Irish. Oh. Yeah. But yeah, that was kind of fun. It's cool to meet people out in the wild and have them know who you are.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, he was a very nice guy. But yeah, so Karl Marx or Anton LaVey? Marx. LaVey didn't... LaVey may have been a creep and probably an incestuous pedophile, but at least he didn't... Cause the deaths of a hundred million people in Europe and South America over the course of a century.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, you're right. You know what? You're right. Real communism has just never been tried. It's crazy how every time they try it, it, uh, it quickly becomes not real communism. Almost like there's a, a failure within the, uh, base system.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
For example, History Unhinged, it's a podcast, so there's a Patreon-only segment, but we don't have that here because this show is a live show. Well, I can't write an extra episode every month. I'm already barely writing an episode a week.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, God, not AI communism. Not AI communism. Bro, you can have a social safety net, but Marx was on to nothing. Oh, yeah, we're in the middle of it. The Lord agrees.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I know. Remember, kids, Karl Marx never had a job. Ever? Literally ever. Yeah, I know. Oh, no, sorry. He did write some op-eds.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
He got his PhD from the Coastal Carolina University of PhD programs. They were just handing him out like candy to anybody with money. And then he went on to write about how horrible rich people were while rich people paid for his entire existence.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, that's... The technical difficulties have gotten better. There was a time when this show wasn't this show without technical difficulty. Yeah. It was a microphone wasn't working, or a camera wasn't working, or the internet wasn't working. Archie is not enjoying the storm.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Come here. Do you want to be held? Come here, buddy. I got you. Come on. Come on.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, he just wants to be under the table.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Come here, buddy.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
We will be, I think, on our way to Yellowstone.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It's okay, buddy. It's just thunder.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
A third guy named Aiden. You know what? We probably could get a third guy named Aiden. There is one who lives in town, or I guess Pottstown.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
We could get a third Aiden.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Also, stop sending me videos of Mary eating Taco Bell mukbangs. I don't know what to make of that.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
No, you're going to learn today.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It's an Asian thing.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, yeah, here we go. You know that Nikocado Avocado guy?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, and then I have to deal with it. Also, somebody who goes by Jean the Gaulish Lovehammer followed me on Twitter the other day. That's phenomenal. Their username, their profile picture is a Pepe the Frog blowing a carnax.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. Uh... I was like, listen, I respect your self-identification, but I feel uncomfortable referring to you as something inhuman.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I'm dealing with a lot right now, guys. Oh, and there was the reaction meme of you. You've been memed. Congratulations. Nice. They memed you.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Thankfully, we're in a big-ass stone building with a basement.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Our girlfriends, however, are screwed.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
My girlfriend is screwed. Well, that... Gonna find Amanda and Ella, like, somewhere over in Valley Forge tomorrow.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
That's an uncomfortable fact.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
If you believe in evolution.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Maybe that should have been our April Fool's. A young earth creationism video in favor of young earth creationism. Yes. Oh, God. I love how every time we end up doing a conspiracy theory video, it wraps back around to me being like, as a Christian, I'm just tired of these people who claim to be Christians making a mockery out of Christianity. Like, it's every time.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Especially with the flat earth stuff. It's like, buddy, the Bible doesn't say that. It doesn't say it's flat. Just remember, people have always been idiots.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, um, hot take... I think they should have just reformed the asylums instead of closing them entirely.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
If I sit you down and give you the entire mathematical proof and all the historical evidence and the logical reasoning that the earth is round and you continue to insist it's flat because you think the Jews want you to believe it's flat for some reason, you should just be put in a padded room.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, yeah. Give me asylums. You know how Mitt Romney had binders full of women? What? I want asylums full of flat earthers. What? You don't remember the Romney and the binders full of women?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, back during the 2012 election, Romney was talking like he was being questioned on whether or not he'd have female cabinet members. And he said that he had a lot of female candidates that he had binders full of women. Like, as in binders full of qualified female candidates for cabinet positions. But the media ran with just binders full of women.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Was this... Remember, kids, if we'd had Romney, we wouldn't have gotten Trump. Was this the equivalent of the yell? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Probably not as devastating as the yell.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, Howard Dean? I think I took Dean and Tim Cain and mixed them into one person. Yeah, it was Howard Dean. Crazy how that yell led to... See, I almost just did it again. It was John Kerry who got the nomination. I was going to say Jim Kerry. And honestly, I think Jim Kerry would have beaten Bush. The fact that he's Canadian might have been a stumbling block, though.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Everything's gone insane.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I fully believe that none of you are going to pay extra money to watch me sing.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I honestly think Hillary Clinton doing that yell would have boosted her chances.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
She probably shouldn't have.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Is she forgetting that, like, she also got off scot-free?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I know, but just like, maybe nobody in government should be using non-government servers to communicate classified information.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Maybe that should be the plan.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I've heard of that. That's very close.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It's extremely close. It's an hour.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Hi. How you doing, Archie?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Okay. All right. Well, anyway, yeah, let us know in the comments, specifically the comments, because chat is hard to find after the stream finishes. Also, you know, I got to say we're kind of confused regarding... regarding the algorithm right now, but we've been complaining about that for weeks, so I'm not going to continue doing it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
No, that is not what it's called. Nobody is mounting Pocahontas. No, mount like mountain. Yeah, sure, that's what he was saying.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
He went back to Aiden. That's cute.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
As of this week, I'm working on it. Amanda made me a plan.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I think I'm... I'm going to be 28 this year. Shut up.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I will remind you that Mac from It's Always Sunny got on to the cover of Men's Health at the age of like 38.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I don't know. You can be bald and sexy.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
What I am going to complain about is the fact that after spending a full two weeks of doing what I spent four years in college studying, I'm still not sure where the hell they're talking about in the sagas of the Greenlanders and the saga of Eric the Red.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, you might be cooked.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
English is the most specific language in Europe.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if Mandarin is...
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Which one am I thinking of right now?
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Who was it? Yeah, that's who. Yeah, I'm a... If I'm going back in time, I'm giving an M249 squad automatic weapon to Constantine XI Palaeologus. The Ottomans are not taking that city.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
That would have been a wild world. Imagine if it was just all Greek. Like if you said it's all Greek to me because it's all Greek. He could have gone west. Yep. He could have done that. Could have. But he didn't make it back to Europe. Very sad.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Then they lost his coffin.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, yeah. We don't know where Alexander the Great's buried.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. It's kind of like King Arthur.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I think Amelia Earhart was shot down by the Russians.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Have you seen that show that's the two Japanese guys and the ones like Japanese Japanese and the other one's Japanese American and the Japanese American one just keeps asking the Japanese guy like what certain words are and then being extremely frustrated by the result. It's called like Real Real Japan. I don't know why this came to me just now. It just kind of did, but I need to show it to you.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Except that, like, they didn't travel that far. How do we know? Well, they give us the amount of time, to an extent.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
If you haven't seen it, go check it out. It's hilarious. It's got an Instagram.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I mean, there's a lot of great stuff there. There is. But then there's the horrors.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And if we're being realistic, it's probably like 74% horrors.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Those are outside.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
If you guys can get the Patreon to $10,000 a month, I will dress as a Mountie. There we go. Now you know.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I mean, it would have to be like a really cool case with a lot of twists.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I'm not going to lie, I get very bored when I look into something and I'm like, oh, well, that's solved. With every passing episode of House, I identify more and more with the titular character, and I don't think that's a good thing.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
One thing we talked about... Was how the time doesn't really line up. Exactly. Well, that's kind of the problem. They did find an outpost. It's in Newfoundland. Which is frustrating, because the place it's in in Newfoundland doesn't match the descriptions from the sagas. But... It also would make sense as a kind of a starting point if you're doing further expeditions.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. He'll be working on a case, and he's like, this doesn't interest me, so he just goes and drinks, and I'm like, you know what? Vibes. If I had a team, I would totally do that. I would be like, yeah, you guys write the video. I'm going to go get hammered.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I don't know. Where are you going with this?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, yeah, that's true.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It does happen. That does happen. That's a good point. Or I'll call him and just be like, I'm so good. Yes. And then I'll do the thing.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I'm like, here's what happened.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And much as with the show, I usually get it wrong two or three times before I have my actual epiphany.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Those were a lot of words.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
How's that spelled?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
River Sticks. Yeah, I'm going to have to look for that one. Because that is not coming up.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Let's see if that gets me anything. Great Chief Kwakwa... Ah, there we go. AmericanFolklore.net We'll start there. That's a good starting point.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I have heard Arma Reforged is a lot of fun. I just do not have a group of people dedicated enough to play it with. Yeah. That seems like the kind of game where you need to have like a squad of
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. My actual computer is currently at Micro Center. I was like, you know what? There's probably nothing wrong with it, and I'm probably just doing something stupid.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And then I took it in, and they were like, yeah, your BIOS is out of date, and also it seems like your OS might have a problem because when we ran the test OS, we didn't get any errors, but when we ran your OS, we got errors, so we probably need to do a clean wipe and reinstall the OS.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And that guy has just reached the point in its life cycle, because it's an Asus Strix, where it simply stops updating. Which means that I also need to do a clean wipe on that PC.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
There was basically nothing on the hard drive besides video games. Got it. Everything else is cloud-based.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I have like six terabytes worth of storage for video games, half of which is taken up by Call of Duty.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I think it's actually more like four terabytes.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Games have gotten thick.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Also, I wasn't able to get deep enough into it to put it into the episode, but they found, I think, meta-anthracite coal in Greenland that matched with deposits in Rhode Island, but also with deposits in Wales.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I've heard it's actually pretty accurate for the historical stuff that's involved. I was considering it. I'm not really an anime person. I've tried several times. I just can't get into the style, which is like the same thing with claymation. Like, I can't do claymation. I just don't enjoy it. But I'm willing to give it a shot. Right now, I'm working on writing.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I'm not sure exactly what it's going to be, but writing a story that takes place in North America and has to do with a Viking landing.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The dialogue hurts me. I think the most recent anime film I saw was Ponyo. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I gotta look this up, because if you tell me Studio Ghibli isn't anime, I'm gonna have an aneurysm. No, not anime AI.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Several anime features created by Ghibli have won the Animage Anime Grand Prix Award.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I think... Apparently in Japan, the word anime applies to any animation.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I don't know. I just, anime doesn't, doesn't get me, doesn't get me going the way everything else does.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Which sucks. Attack on Titan actually looks like it's a good story.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
See, I don't like reading subtitles, and I hate the American dub. Cause it's, we don't talk like that. No. Like it works for at least my perception of Japanese, but like for some reason they try and match the Japanese inflection with American words. And it's like, that's, that's not.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, no, it's yeah. Like, cool if you like it.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I mean, the Venn diagram for those things is basically a circle at this point. Like, I... I don't know. Each individually, I think... I think Flat Earthers, because that one is the most indisputably wrong out of all of them. Like, Tartary is a stupid, stupid idea, but it very clearly is the result of people not knowing reality and then being...
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, is this, did this come from Rhode Island or did this come from Wales? And if it came from Wales, it's like, okay, that makes complete sense.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
too skeptical of authority to admit that sometimes, you know, people aren't lying to you. And if... I'll be honest, you gotta know a lot of history for Tartaria to seem as stupid off the bat as it does to me. Like, if you don't really know anything about history, and somebody comes to you and is like, hey... isn't it kind of weird that all of these cities in the West sprung up so quickly?
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
You might be like, yeah, that is kind of weird until you actually go and look at it and you get into the data and how quickly those migrations happened and the economic factors driving them. And the fact that people were building with the anticipation of there being a wave of immigration, uh, And then what was the other one?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, yeah. That one's just, you know, I get where that one comes from. Sitchin's pretty convincing. I've read his book, well, one of his books. What is his main argument again? That the Mesopotamian... Basically, that Mesopotamian tablets and religions were properly translated, tell a story about humans being created by a race of extraterrestrials.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The problem is that his... You have to know Sumerian to prove him wrong.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Most people don't know Sumerian. Michael Heiser, on the other hand... was very well-versed in ancient Semitic religion. And he did a lot to explain why Sitchin is wrong. But that one is so niche. He writes well enough. He writes very authoritatively. And if you don't know he's wrong, you won't suspect he's wrong. Flat Earthers, on the other hand, it's basic math. It's literally just basic math.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I mean, it was part of, I don't think it was part of the Appalachian chain, but that's the thing is it didn't match Greenland deposits. It was specifically that this anthracite matched with the signature of something from Rhode Island as well as something from Wales. And that's frustrating because those two places are not the same. That's one way to put it, yeah.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Flat earthers? No.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Well, Aiden, you gotta understand, it's the Jews.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It's just that it's them. And they've been kicked out of, you know, 11 billion countries.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
My favorite was when Witsit was literally just like talking about how studies show and then couldn't name one.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Not even one. And like, he seemed to know a lot about the specific one he was talking about, but he didn't know what university it was at. He didn't know who was involved. He didn't know when it happened. It's almost like they don't know what they're talking about.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I think it's very simple. If you think the earth is flat, you shouldn't get to vote. Do not weaponize your stupidity against me. I don't want my life to get worse because... You're stupid. You know? We don't live in a snow globe, guys. There is no ice wall. That's just called a glacier. We sent some of your people there. My favorite thing is that we had Austin Whitsitt on the show.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And I was like, hey, Austin, in the first 10 minutes. Like, hey, Austin. would a 24-hour sun prove the Earth is round? A 24-hour sun in Antarctica? Would that prove the Earth is round? And he said yes. And then we showed him videos, and he said they're edited. But he only thought they were edited because he didn't understand masking.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And then we showed him a video that didn't have the masking, and he still said it was edited. So then somebody else flew the man down to the South Pole where he witnessed it himself, and he still claims it's flat.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. Yeah. I feel violence.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
But it would be much better if I could just, you know, like... It would. Give them a knuckle sandwich, so to speak. Give them the old Bane to Batman trick. Introduce him to Chippy.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. That'd be great.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Another frustrating thing about it is, as I'm reading through, the saga of the Greenlanders doesn't tell us anything about about the people that they ran into. They're called Skrælings, but that's a term that they use for everyone they encountered in the New World.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Even if it's just a little one that sits on my desk.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Welsh Mountain wild man? Oh yeah, wow.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It was an arm flailing, shrieking beast of human proportions, but not human comportment. What a Give that writer a raise. That was a good... Yeah, this is from the Reading Eagle. I didn't know people from Reading could read. The rest of the page won't load, so maybe they can't.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, no. Dildo is a town in Newfoundland.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. Found that several times on the map.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I got a lot of movie recs. I just got to think of what they are.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
uh in the vein of westerns because it is a neo-western um wind river yeah um bone tomahawk phenomenal phenomenal film uh kurt russell it is from i think like 2015 2016 it's really interesting because there's no music so stuff just happens
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It might. I am iffy on Tarantino movies. I had never seen No Country for Old Men.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I thought that was Tarantino. This is the problem is I think a lot of things are Tarantino and then I don't watch them because... What Tarantino movies have you seen? I've seen... The German one. The Nazi one. Yeah, I've seen that one. I have seen... I love that one. I've seen the Hollywood one. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I liked that one too. Had to watch it twice. Liked it the second time. Was kind of confused the first time. Liked it the second time. Everybody at the prom after party watched Pulp Fiction, but I didn't. I don't know why. I'm gonna be honest, it was Kill Bill. I did not like Kill Bill.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Uh, it's something along the lines of, like, heathen or savage or, like, it basically, yeah, it's something.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It insists upon itself.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I was just quoting Family Guy there, and you agreed with me. See, this is the problem.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I just didn't... Yeah, I don't know. It felt like there was no plot.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The plot is Uma Thurman with a samurai sword. Yeah. Also, what's with the feet? Why are there always dirty bare feet?
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Keep that to yourself, brother!
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
not i like fishnets you don't see me putting them in every episode of our show you could if you wanted to yeah maybe i'll start wearing them and then see how our audience feels about it probably a little they'd probably be happy first but eventually they'd be really excited about it yeah i i regret speaking now and then once you start doing it and then stop then they're gonna never stop asking where they go i know what so many of you are thinking about doing right now do not put fishnets on me do not put fishnets on me well it's better than them taking them off of you
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
But the thing is, they would have referred to them, like, they would have referred to their own ancestors as heathens from, like, a hundred years back. Yeah, because heathen just meant somebody who practiced a, it basically meant pagan.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I am going to jump off of the nearest water tower.
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I'll look at it while I jump off the bridge. Also, I don't totally understand how water towers work. Like really honest, vulnerable moment here. I don't get it. What's the point of a water tower?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
How does the water get up there?
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And then the pumps just stay on the whole time?
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What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, okay. Well, that makes sense.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
So Skræling, I don't remember. I'm sure there's a direct translation out there, but the whole point was that this was a term that they kind of applied blanket to anybody over there. Now, if they're talking about people in Newfoundland, you might think, oh, okay, cool. They're probably, you know, Eastern Algonquian.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It was Baffin Island. Or maybe Northern Labrador.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
They definitely perceived it to be Baffin Island later on. Like, if you look at the maps they drew, there's maps from, like, the 1500s. And they don't seem to think that... They don't even seem to think that Vinland was an island. They think that it was, like, a promontory.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
A large peninsula.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah. They thought it was, like, a Florida.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Happy birthday. Yeah, it would have been different. I think I think we would. I actually think the English would have been less successful at colonization. So it had to contend with the Norse.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
They're probably related to the Abenaki because, you know, the Mi'kmaq had some space on Newfoundland. No. We don't know that. We don't know when they got there. There's another group called the Beotuk. I also don't know if they were there that late. And then there's the Dorset culture. That was in Greenland at one point and might have been in Newfoundland, but probably too early.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, no, I'm considering... I've been looking at Orthodoxy, I've been looking at Lutheranism, I was looking at Episcopalianism for a little while. Right now, I'm kind of leaning towards Anglican Catholicism because I don't like any of the churches that exist right now. They make me angry. But the Filioque thing, I mean... Without getting too deeply into it,
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
the Roman Catholic church just likes adding things to the doctrine and then pretending that everybody else is weird or not agreeing with them. And they like to pretend they were the first church ever established, even though the orthodoxy also can make that claim. Um, I don't know. I think that most Christian sects need to shut up and focus on the similarities instead of stupid differences.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Somebody's not going to hell because they disagree with you that Mary was a perpetual virgin, you know, because the book doesn't say she was.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, yeah, there's plenty of them. And the results? It depends who did the audit.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Catholics think they're right. Orthodox think they're right. Protestants think they're right. And Catholics don't seem to understand, at least on Twitter, Catholics don't seem to understand that Protestants don't all agree with each other. Like, it's been driving me nuts.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
There's this one guy, and it frustrates me because I really like the producer of the show, but I can't stand the host of the show. The show's avoiding Babylon. The host, Anthony, just constantly says the absolute dumbest shit I've ever seen. Like what? Like, for example, one of his tweets was that the one criminal on the cross who was saved was saved because Mary prayed for him. And I'm like...
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
No, it's because God himself was next to him and said, you're good. That's why it had nothing to do with Mary. Is that direct from the Bible? Yeah. So how... I don't know if he's just trying to piss Protestants off, or if he genuinely believes that, or what, but it's just constant with him.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And then he'll take, like, this dumbass named Lizzie, who goes by Farming in Jesus, who seems like she has the theological education of somebody from North Sentinel Island, and just says dumb, heretical bullshit constantly. I... And then they just take her and they're like, see, look what this idiot said. It's like, I'm a Protestant. I think she's an idiot. This isn't Protestantism.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
This is a moron. Why do you keep bringing this up? This would be like me going and finding the dumbest possible Catholic and pretending all of you agree with her. Or him. This would be like me going and getting Anthony and pretending all Catholics agree with him. I grew up in a Catholic family.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I know what Catholics are like, and I went to school and studied religion and history, and I know what Catholicism is, and I have my reasons for not liking it. I also have my reasons for not liking most of the Protestant sects. And I even have stuff I don't really like about Orthodoxy.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I don't know. I was looking at the Anglican Catholic Church. They are not the Anglican Church in America. It is a different thing. They are not the Episcopal Church. They basically consider themselves pre-schismatic Catholics, from what I can tell. I haven't had a conversation with them yet, but I'm planning to do that as soon as possible because I like that. That sounds good.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The Inuit drove them out. But then there's the question of was it the Inuit? It doesn't seem like it was the Inuit. At least not in Newfoundland. And then the saga of the Greenlanders, of course, just tells us, oh, yeah, they... Oh, that's the other fun part. In the saga of the Greenlanders, they all appear on land. In the saga of Eric the Red, they come by sea.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Seventh-day Adventist. There we go. What is that? I... Well, the big difference... The big difference is that they have the Sabbath on Saturday.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
There were others. It was very popular in East Asia.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It was a very popular sect in East Asia.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I don't remember most of the details of it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I'm so tired and frustrated and angry at everything. That's the show.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
legitimately bad. There were no redeeming qualities about the end of the show. It was like Taylor Sheridan when, you know what? Who needs to enjoy this? I mean, I'm not even kidding. From like the end of season three onward, I was rooting for Beth to die horribly. And she's one of the only people who gets a happy ending. Oh, really? Mm-hmm.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
But yeah, no, it's like... Because here's the thing, and I don't know if Taylor Sheridan just got so lost in his own characters or what, but like... At no point during the show did he make Jamie into enough of a villain for Beth's anger at Jamie to be rational. In fact, Jamie starts to make even more sense towards the end.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And by the end of the show, Jamie's the only one who has an idea that would work to save the ranch. Literally just him. I mean, he did take away her ability to have kids because she refused to go talk to an adult and insisted that her like 16 year old brother make that decision for her. She she is holding a 40 year old.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
By the end of the show, she is holding a 40 year old man accountable for a decision she forced him to make when he was 16 because she did something stupid. because she was afraid of getting in trouble. Like, she pushed him into a traumatic situation, and then spent the next 30 years of their lives ostracizing him from the family over a problem she created.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The entire show is Beth causing problems for the family. Every single problem they have can be traced back to Beth, with the exception of them not being able to pay the taxes. And that one's on John. By the end of the show, he's dead. So. And then it turns out Casey's the only one who figures it out.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, like in the saga of the Greenlanders, they establish their little colony and they're hanging out there. Torf and Carlsefni and such. He's chilling. He's vibing. And the Skrælings appear out of the forest. You look at Saga of Eric the Red. Same exact circumstances, except it's a little bit of a difference in where they landed. They come by sea.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Well, how to not go bankrupt and also not let the one company get the ranch.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Oh, I could have called from the end of season one what the end of the show was going to be. I just expected I was going to be wrong. I thought Sheridan was going to come up with something better than that.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I mean, spoiler alert here. Like, spoilers incoming. Casey sells land back to, uh, the natives. I can't remember exactly what tribe they are. Probably the Lakota. Um, no, it wouldn't be the Blackfoot. I don't know if it's ever said what tribe was going to say. I don't think they ever actually, uh, yeah, he sells, basically he sells it back to them at bottom dollar.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
It was like, well, it was basically like whatever the value of the land was when his ancestors bought it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I, he said, basically sells it back to him for a couple of dollars an acre. Um, And then he gets to keep the like far camp part. So he still gets like a couple hundred acres and the reservation gets to consume the rest of it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
No, because he didn't. That was part of the thing was he was like the land he ends up with. He's like, it's too much for one person. It's not enough for a full group of cowboys, but it's enough for one family.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The conflict from season one, the thing they were doing their best to prevent from happening, it happens.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
No. Like, the only person in the family who never did anything wrong was Casey?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And at the end, he... is the only one who really comes out. He should be the only one who comes out happy. Well, him and rip, but Sheridan wrote himself into a corner there.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
So yeah, I don't know. It just got bad, which is wild because I'm watching 1923 and I'm like, this is incredible. This is a real, this is a really good show. This is a really good TV show. So it was 1883. So clearly the man can write. He just apparently chose not to.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, you know what?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Well, let's... I did see a couple of $20 ones come through. Those we should probably answer just because...
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
This is why I went into not science.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I'm glad you've seen the other live streams because I've definitely been way too tired to make this one entertaining.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
These are the same story with just all these tiny little minor differences. The downside of oral tradition. That's the thing. It shouldn't have been. This is the kind of thing they should have written down. They were writing stuff down 100 years later. All the time. That's when you get most of the early Icelandic manuscripts. They start to be produced around 1100 AD.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I don't know, like 75 pages, and I read 120 of them today, so... At least it's a lighter day tomorrow. It'll be a lighter day tomorrow. I'll also be able to get started earlier. I was... I had a killer headache when I woke up today. Lasted from like 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. It was like right here. That's not fun. No. Felt like somebody was driving an iron spike through my forehead. Not great.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
yep so i here i guess this is how we find out does does the youtube algorithm hate us or does the youtube algorithm want us to be good boys and make their true crime content for them what happens if it seems they just hate us um somebody's got to be mario Fair enough. All right. Well, thank you, guys. It has been so very real.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
The good news is I have a lot of good stuff to cover in the next month or so.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I just hope that it works. All right. We will talk to you guys soon.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
This happens in 1000 AD, and apparently nobody bothered to write anything down about it. Nobody was like, you know, let me keep a diary and make sure that makes it back to Europe. No. No, they got over there, and they set up a colony. We found it. That's the ridiculous part. Like, here's the thing that I don't think is appreciated enough.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Up until 1960, it was, like, generally accepted that they probably got here, but nobody could say for certain where. They hadn't really found much in the way of evidence. There were things that they found in Greenland that they were like, ah, well, it suggests that they had contact with North America, but not necessarily that they actually settled there.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
So there were a whole bunch of different places it could be. Think about how vast the eastern seaboard of the United States and Canada are. They found it. This tiny little group of like nine buildings.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
On the coast of Newfoundland. They just found it. I mean, that is what's even more wild is back in 1914, a complete amateur who was just a guy who lived in Newfoundland was like, it's here. He's using the sagas. He's like, oh yeah, it's probably right here. Now what he pointed to was actually whatever the bay directly west of Lanzo Meadows is.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I prefer not to have that. It was much better when they thought that your humors were out of balance. Or that you had ghosts in your blood. Much better when you had ghosts in your blood. Now ghosts are just in your walls.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And I understand why he picked it, because if you look at that bay, it starts with a P, Pistolet. Pistolet Bay. Or it might be Pistolet, I don't know. Canada, just... Stop using two different languages. For the love of God, don't keep French. Um... Anyway, he describes it. He's like, oh, it's probably pistolet bay. And if you look at it, that kind of makes sense because you...
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
In order to do that, you have to sail between an island and a certain cape, and then you have to go west past the cape, as he describes, as they describe in the saga, and then you turn in, and there's a big bay, and then at the very end of the bay, down to the southeast, there's a little pinch spot where at high tide, or at low tide, you might have the water go out far enough that that becomes a sandy bank, and then that would lead you down a short little river into a lake.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
perfectly matches not where the settlement is oh yeah so he settlements like 10 miles to the northeast oh no no no like still incredibly accurate considering this guy was an amateur it's like one of those guys who are really good at geoguessr yeah basically he's like oh this makes sense and what's even more impressive about that is this man didn't have google Yeah, that's what the 60s you said?
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
That was 1914. Oh, wow, okay. 1960, the Ingstads, it is Helgi and Anna Ingstad, I believe. The former is an explorer, the latter is an archaeologist, you know, a little power couple. They were exploring, looking for this colony, and they go up to Lanzo Meadows to a place known as the Old Indian Mounds or something. they start digging and they start finding Viking artifacts.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And they're like, oh, cool, we found it. There are thousands of miles of coastline. I mean, just within the Gulf of St. Lawrence alone. They found it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Nothing based on any actual evidence. There have been places where like, let's dig around here and see, and they don't find anything.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Closer to three. Okay, so my... It's really hard to get funding. Yeah, no, 100%. Especially, like, the later you get to... I mean, I don't think the Ingstad's were working on much more than a hunch, and they were basically digging on their own at the start. No, if you want to dig, you got to be like, yeah, we know there's something here.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
I too am in your walls.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
You can't refer to the audience as germs.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
Yeah, I don't know. He keeps following me there. I'm trying to just be in your walls. He keeps trying to film it.
The Lore Lads
What Would Have Happened if the Vikings Stayed? | Podcast Episode 164
And that's the thing is, like, the entire saga, there will be something like that where you're like, oh, okay, this part matches this place perfectly. And then everything else about it doesn't.