Maureen Callahan
Appearances
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
In a bitter, bitter, expensive lawsuit, Baldoni's countersuing Lively and her husband, Ryan Reynolds, for $400 million, which is, I believe, what he thinks their estimated net worth is. And the trial is tentatively set for March 2026.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
I think Blake Lively is suffering mightily right now, and the collateral fallout is affecting not just her husband, Ryan Reynolds, but her so-called dragon, her BFF, Taylor Swift, who it's reported has been taking a step back from her friendship with Blake because she doesn't want any of this runoff affecting her career. Justin's team has been very smart in what they're leaking and when.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
They leaked footage of the two of them while filming a scene, rehearsing a scene in which they were dancing very closely. And Justin had his mic on. And so they're working out how they're going to do this scene. Justin is saying, I think we should be kissing. And Blake says, no, I think we should be talking. I think that's even more intimate. And Justin says, okay.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
So that sort of takes some wind out of her sails. They also released another lengthy voice memo that Justin had sent to Blake in which he's phrasing her to the high heavens and saying he has let her down by not taking all of her notes and she's so brilliant and so smart and he's going to do everything he can to make her happy. Again,
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
A counter-narrative to Lively's claims that he was doing everything possible to sabotage her and make her feel unsafe on that set. So I think right now, Baldoni's team is in the power position, but that of course could shift in another few days.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
This is such a great question, Megan, because if you think about it, the damage has already been done to her. I don't know what director, because think about it, there are like five female directors working in Hollywood today.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
what male director is going to put himself and his career and reputation at risk by working with Blake Lively, who launched this all out assault on a guy who is not as well capitalized as she and Ryan are, who doesn't have the reputation, the lengthy career, you know, Who on earth would risk it? And I have to wonder why she did it.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
Because like you said, it could have just been, you know, a thing where they butted heads, they didn't see eye to eye, but they each walked away clean to do their next project. I have a theory and it is just my own theory and supposition that something went on between these two. And perhaps it was an unrequited... crush on Blake's part and Justin didn't respond in kind.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
Perhaps they did in some way have a physical relationship outside of the filming and that went south. There's something about this that just feels way too intense, way too personal that I think that the real undergirding, the real story is why, why she did this.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
I kind of read them as flirty. And even the text messages between Justin and Ryan Reynolds. If anybody listening wants to get a taste of what it's like to deal with Hollywood people, this is it. And it's really quite vile because they're just mooning over each other. I mean, they've just met and Ryan's like, hasn't responded to Justin's text for two weeks. And then he replies and he says-
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
I happen to adore you, Justin, period. It's like, buy me dinner first before you start talking to me like this. It's disgusting. And Justin and Blake are having a very, very familiar texting relationship. Whether they were that familiar, whether it was this sort of hastened intimacy because they were working so closely together so quickly, who knows?
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
But now I don't think there's any slight that's not going to be weaponized. I just read... an item yesterday that Blake Lively blew a good chunk of the movie's budget on her wardrobe. I mean, this is how petty we're going to get. I love it, but it is the strangest Hollywood war. I'm going to say it's maybe the biggest one since Brad versus Angie.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
Oh, well, Megan, first of all, when I said Brad v. Angie, I meant like when they divorced, when they separated. And it was like the bombshells were going off. He was abusive. She was like out of her mind. Like this will be the thing that shows the strength of their marriage because I'm very cynical about.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
So I really do believe that if this blowback against Blake gets to be too much, Ryan's going to cut her loose. I think that Ryan Reynolds has his eyes firmly set on becoming a billionaire, and I believe he'll get there.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
And I don't think he's going to stand for his reputation getting muddied in all of this, even though he's already in it with these lawsuits and all of these text messages and these documents. And he was famously brought in by Blake to write a whole scene in the movie and be some sort of- unpaid advisor.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
Sure. So about a month ago, the New York Times ran a blockbuster, I think, 4,000-word piece in which Blake Lively was alleging her writer-director co-star, forgive me, I'm not sure if he was the writer, Justin Baldoni, on their film It Ends With Us, had subjected her to almost ritualistic sexual harassment attacks.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
So I think that's really where you're going to see the strength of this countersuit against Justin, if it really does sort of crater their marriage.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
Yeah, I think there is. I think, you know, it seems as though perhaps they didn't do their full due diligence. I think it sort of was probably seen initially as a strength, but is now a liability that I forget how many bylines were on that piece, but one, Megan Toohey said, was one half of the team at the Times that broke the Harvey Weinstein story and became synonymous with Me Too.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
They wrote a book, they made a lot of money off of it. And I think that the Times is already struggling in many ways reputationally, and this does not help. If I recall correctly, I could be mistaken, so forgive me. But if I recall correctly, I think they went to Baldoni's team and gave them two hours to respond to that laundry list of accusations. So if that's true, it's not a great look.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
important in terms of where we are and where we're going. I agree with you, the Aziz Ansari thing was ridiculous. If that allegation had come out maybe a year later, his career would not have been destroyed. I think we are now seeing a pendulum swing back towards sanity. where just because a woman says a man did something to her, it's not automatically received as gospel.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
That the man does get a chance to tell his side of the story and back it up with documents, receipts, screenshots, texts, voicemail. Certainly helps when you have movie footage. So I think this is going to be an interesting case in terms of
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
You know, I'll be amazed if it gets there because I would think saner heads would prevail and both sides should really just drop it and walk away. Justin Baldoni's lawyer has already said he's pretty much bankrupted by this financially and emotionally. I don't know what good it does for Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds to have this be the headline of their careers for the next calendar year.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
And that's just to start it. So I think it'll be interesting to see if it ever really comes to fruition. And if there is some sort of settlement reached, who pays who? This is really, it's Hollywood writ large, right? The egotism, the narcissism, the ridiculous sums of money, the victimization, the weaponization, perhaps, we don't know yet, but perhaps of Me Too.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
And that she suffered so greatly, it was a concerted effort in which he involved multiple people to not only harass her while filming, but then once the movie was about to be released, orchestrated an online smear campaign against her.
Morning Wire
It Ends With Us...In Court | 2.8.25
A couple of weeks later, Baldoni's lawyer, Brian Friedman, filed a countersuit in which he alleged that the text messages obtained by the New York Times had been selectively edited. And they sort of threw open their document dump, which seemed to absolve Justin of many of the things that Lively has been claiming. Nonetheless, these two are now locked
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fighting the Swamp and Conflicts of Interest, Truth About DOGE Cuts, and Finding Autism Cause, with FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary | Ep. 1051
It's important to me to stay relatable. I love to elevate a guest's visit. Microwave popcorn. You plop it right in there. It's so simple. Only the lazy people don't do this. Put it in a paper bag. Here we go. It's right behind you. Oh, my god. You did it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fighting the Swamp and Conflicts of Interest, Truth About DOGE Cuts, and Finding Autism Cause, with FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary | Ep. 1051
They're spectacular. And then I just, and then I just dump them. I died when I saw the first clip of it is a longer one than what you just saw there. I was with Abby we cried we were so hard that you guys are going to love tomorrow show and I can't wait to bring it to you so we'll see them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
She's been practicing in her mirror, right? All these things she's going to say and these, like, dialogues she's going to have with her guests. Honey, honey. Oh, this is, like, her bedside blooms for Daniel, who's, like, probably sleeping in the garage. That must be discussed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Daniel, who, first of all, that was really incredible that they showed her taking store-bought pretzels and decanting them into another plastic bag. First of all, isn't she a great environmentalist? Why are we using and reusing so much plastic? Good point. Then she gives us the ineffable tip that when you tie a knot, always be sure you put a bow on that shit. And then Daniel does show up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Poor Daniel. Poor Daniel. And she doesn't know if he likes to lifelong friend of decades, the before, during and after, as she says, right? Doesn't know if he likes tomatoes. Right. Doesn't know that he's left-handed. He's her makeup artist. What hand is he using? What is his dominant hand? And then what was the third thing she didn't?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Oh, he's, she says, I'm going to, you know, I love to send all my guests home with stuff. You always go home with stuff. He says, listen, I live in New York city. I don't have counter space in my kitchen. She doesn't know that she's never been to his apartment.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Okay, drama. I'm into it. It was the one paparazzi on a bicycle. Right. Remember? Right. And she's going to Harry, just be calm. It's going to be okay. Right, right. Ten minutes. On a Vespa. Underground garage. He was on a Vespa. On a Vespa. Oh, sorry.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
It was black. Yes. It was like the kind of thing you would just throw out as toxic waste.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Do you believe there were 80 crew members? If there were, what the hell kind of budget is Netflix paying for this bullshit show? Seriously. And by the way, not for nothing, I have seen people online. There are her defenders, whether they are paid bots. I don't know. But people saying, why can't you just leave her alone? She's just trying to make an entertaining cooking show, whatever.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
To which I say, I pay for my Netflix subscription, which is going into her pocket. Right. So I do get to judge it. I get to judge it as harshly as I want. Yeah. And that's why they also have those little buttons on the screen. Thumbs up, thumbs down. Do you like it? Do you not like it? So we can all go to town on this as we should.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Yes. Now, if I can just circle back for one second to the Rachel Maddow thing, because I was listening to you talk about this and I was dying. Because she had previously lived in the West Village in Michael Stipe's old apartment, which she turned around and sold for a lot of money. Then she bought this place, which I did not know until listening to you, was on the east side of Central Park.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
So you know what is interesting about those buildings, and I'm sure you do, on the east side of the park, the way they get around non-discrimination laws is they make potential buyers show that they can put down 75% of the purchase price. I didn't know that, actually. So if you're buying, say, a 20 million dollar place, you have to have 17 million that you can lay out immediately.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
And that's how they keep the undesirables out. Not that Rachel would ever admit that she lives in such a place. Right. Where perhaps a black family that could only put down 50 percent could never be shown the door.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Not bad enough to kick in, as you said, a measly 2 million. That's it. Just do like a what Tom Brady? Yeah, that's it. Take some of it. I don't need it. Just lower the 25 to 23.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Oh, you're so funny. Oh, it was, it was an inglorious morning. I was in my pajamas with like my eighth cup of coffee, really gutting it out and taking notes as you do. I take them analog on like an actual notepad. There were so many contradictions. Okay. So my favorite moment, and I do think the most telling it was in the Mindy episode. And it was the moment where
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Mindy is playing along with Megan's oft-told, much-debunked origin story that she was this poor little latchkey kid in the slums of Los Angeles, coming home from school every day, eating her sad little fast food on a tray table. Right. Well, she's watching Jeopardy, mind you. So she may be watching TV, but she's watching Jeopardy. She's smart. She's smart.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
She's not writing, you know, feminist manifestos to soap companies. That's part of a class project, not an auto-generated thing. She does mention later. Never forget. Never forget. So we're not walking through landmines here like Diana.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Right. Mindy says to her, you know, I just don't think that anybody really realizes Meghan Markle ate Jack in the box. And you watch Meghan tense up right up and the micro expressions and the jaw sets and the eyes go black. And her shoulders rise up and she goes, you know, it's so funny. And she's like chopping something. So it's like dangerous. You know, it's so funny you say that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
So funny you say that because you know what? I'm Sussex now. I'm Sussex. Oh, my God. It was like a soap opera moment.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Very weird. Oh, and what follows that is she goes, our little family name. Right. Yet another dig at the Royals that gave her that title.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
This is the thing that I love too because, you know, the thing about manners when you're a kid and they're teaching you manners, the line is always like they are for you to go out into the world, but they're really also for other people. It's so you learn how to make other people feel welcome and comfortable and never ashamed or humiliated or hurt. Like that was a dagger.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
That's a guest in her fake house. She was mad. On her face.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
fucking fake show you know who dared to call her Megan Markle the name we all regrettably know her by right and now it's Dutch oh by the way I don't know if you saw this probably not but she was on Drew Barrymore yesterday oh yes we saw you watched yeah I saw the clips I saw a little bit I couldn't I couldn't gut it out again I could not gut it out but there's this moment where
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
drew they're cooking they're behind a thing and megan's rolling some garbage with her hands and drew proudly brings out this um blown up black and white photo of herself at like age seven it's very sweet it's et steven spielberg and george lucas drew there was she's got this little stuffy the stuffed animal i don't know if it was et or not and she's presenting it to diana a very young princess diana
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
And she's showing this, like, this was such a meaningful moment for me. Of course it was. And Megan, instead of going, what a life you've had, like, tell me what that moment was like for you. What was Diana like? You know, she goes... Oh, how sweet. I'll have to tell H about it. Oh, God. So already she's like levitating herself above this conversation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
It's not Harry, it's H. It's my H. I'll tell him that. We're separate over here. And by the way, presumably, isn't your husband watching this show and cheering you on? Yeah, right. Your big launch. Right. He's not doing anything else. You're going to have to relay this to him? Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
She doesn't. She's not interested. She's interested insofar as you can help her realize whatever thing she's trying to manifest in any given moment. Basically, I love the premise of this show, which is I'm going to show you how to make a happy, warm, loving home after I have successfully severed my husband's ties from his entire family. Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
After I have successfully severed every single tie, save my mother from my own family of origin. Who better? Who better to teach one how to create a loving, warm home? I loved the thing with Mindy where they're. Oh, my God. She's she goes. We are planning a children's party.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Children are not around. No children. Three. She's got two. They're presumably other children in Montecito. No children are around, you know, because they're unpredictable and messy. I guess. Right. It's annoying to her. And she says to Mindy, I don't know. Again, great friends. I don't know if you go all out for your children's birthday parties or not. Mindy goes, the woman I hire does. Okay.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Right. Very relatable. Right. Very relatable. And then there's something where, what was the other thing with Mindy that was just like so wild? I couldn't believe it. But it's a similar thing. There was the balloon arch. Oh, and then they'd have a wardrobe change into their sundresses. Because that's how we all do when we get together. We have several outfits for our time together. Exactly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
For like different times of day with different settings and different... food stuff. So I suppose that we're having, they, they dress in these sundresses and they go out to Megan's little garden shack.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
I could only, it's so funny you say that. I could only think of how much money Netflix spent on licensing this music. There's so much freaking Motown in this thing. It's like, oh, come and get your love is like the final, like really? It's like when you watch, one of the things that always irked me the most about The Devil Wears Prada was that the music cues were so literal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
They're always telling you what to think. Like the moment where Andy's walking down the street in Manhattan at night debating whether she can throw Emily under the bus to go to Paris. It's like the song that's playing is I Can't Sleep. Oh, I never noticed that. If you watch it again, you'll never see it the same way.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
And I felt the same way about this, where the music was doing all the heavy lifting. Who sings, ah, sugar, sugar. Oh, yeah, Love and Spoonful or something.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
No kidding. No kidding. I feel the same way about my niece and her burgeoning basketball career. Her dream is to be a WNBA star and she's like killing it. And you just, you see this potential and you see this life force and you see this talent that they lean into. Yeah. And it's just, I think it's always a testament to
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Right. And fry. Right. Roll in some breadcrumbs and you're done. Right. That's if you're not buying them pre-made because that's even easier. The thing about that show too is, okay, I think it was episode two again, or no, it was episode one. It was with Daniel. Or Daniel. May he rest. Who, she's making some sort of Italian dish.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
I'm sure the Italian in you would find this very- I pass no judgment on cooking. Oh, really? Okay, fair enough. But, you know, it's like, she's got this Le Creuset white pot, right? Which, by the way, Mindy made the rookie error of calling it Le Creuset. Right. Is it foyer or foyer?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
You'll be tossed out if you, you know, so, and, and Megan, of course had to correct her, which is another thing you don't do. You don't correct your guests pronunciation of something. Either way, that would be a nice thing. Like whatever, who cares? Right. But no. And, and Mindy was like, Oh, well, some of us have been to Europe. Like she got a couple of digs in.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Um, but the, so it's this white, like crusade and there is not a splatter of anything on anything that, Like, everything is immaculate. And she's in the all-white outfit. And she's in the all-white, and she's not really wearing an apron, and there is—nothing is spilled. Nothing is mistakenly put anywhere, and it just goes to the absolute, utter artifice of this woman. I just think—
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
I think, you know, the last time we talked about her, I said, I do think there's something very dark about her. And I think that this reaction, I mean, we're laughing about it because a lot of it is funny. But the reaction that a lot of us are having, which is a complete and utter recoil, is I do think this sort of built-in evolutionary response to somebody who does not seem quite right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Like I look at her and I think to myself, only my opinion, this is a dangerous person. I don't like her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Great parenting, a great system of people who love them around them, great educational systems that like really lift these girls up and how lucky that these girls are. aren't suffering so many of the slings and arrows you've been talking about for so long. Do you know what I mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Like whom? She is so full of shit. That platter, by the way, is like half the size of your desk. It's like a football field for a child. It's enormous. And, you know, sticky little kids do not keep things orderly. As a matter of course, they do not. This is my other favorite thing. Speaking of how much free time does she have? Because she has the kind of free time that would make me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Enter intensive therapy. I didn't know where that was going. She talks about, she's sitting down at a desk and she's making out her menu for the big party that she's going to have. It all feels very Real Housewives. Like the final episode.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
She got an A minus in penmanship. She's clearly not over it. We're not doing straight A's all the way. It's an epic fail. She's handlining in soft pencil lines in her notebook instead of buying a notebook. And you can buy a very expensive notebook. Go buy a Smithson. Spend $400 on that line notebook. But no, she's got to line it herself. Again, what kind of time do you have?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
Then she's doing that... infuriating calligraphy. I know. Was she 12? I know. You know, I took a calligraphy class when I was 12. It was a way to kill some time. I didn't think it was going to be a life skill I would take into middle age. And then she's writing, she's saying, this is a no fuss. She literally says, Megan, this is a no fuss menu.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
It's within the reach of anybody. As she writes, like,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
whole wheat toast with estate honey estate honey honey from her goddamn estate she's obsessed with her honey but she's obsessed that she's growing it on an estate in a manner that we can't see because we're just the great unwashed who are tuning in to supposedly you know just royal ourselves in envy and and feeling like failures because we don't have many scissors that's the
The Megyn Kelly Show
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To deploy with our huge freaking basket in our backyard garden that looks like Central fucking Park.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You might get a little skin, a little blood in there. It makes it taste better. What? You know how that goes.
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On? You can do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Look away. I would love to see you add like a little cooking something to your programming and like put it up against Meghan Markle.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Okay. First of all, to your point about you've done it all, why do you have to give these people and these little people more gifts? Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's 100% correct, but you're not a malignant narcissist who needs to have other mommies marvel that you then put together this other gift bag that Meghan Markle thinks is going to form a core memory of, like, miniature garden tools, crap from China, basically.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And what's better for small people than little sticks of things that are sweet, that are sharp, that you can just shove in your mouth or in your eye or God knows what? Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Lights out. She's out of her mind. I know. Oh my God, this was the other thing about like the... Anyway, there was so much going on, but it had to do with the parties and the kids and her with Mindy and... Oh, oh, oh, it was her talk. So there's much talk in this about... Um, you know, I think it had to do with a vase she was working on or something.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh, Maureen. Something killed your vibe. Did you watch all episodes of this? No, no, no. I will go hard in the paint when it's necessary. Yeah, I know you will. But this... OK, so I woke up at 5 a.m. when it dropped. It dropped to begin streaming it. And Megan, I within 10 minutes, I fell asleep. It was so boring.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's like, you know, broken things, broken things are worth something, Megan. Oh God. Broken things. Sometimes they're better for being broken. And then when you repair them, you see a beauty in a different way or they're making a cake. Oh, that was episode one. Beautiful on the inside. She's pretty on the inside.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Don't just love Megan Sussex, excuse me, for her physical appearance, but appreciate everything that she goes through internally for all of us. She's beautiful. On the inside where it counts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Whatever the catch all is that the pastry, whatever she's making. She seems like the most fun mom, don't you think? Oh God. You could see her like, it's fine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was it's the it's like you can I would sooner you really offend me or just like I love a bad watch. I love a good bad watch. This is not that this is really grueling to get through. Yeah. So I did episodes one, episode two, and episode eight. I did one, two, three, and four, my friend. So I can fill in some of the blanks. You're a little bit ahead of me. For me...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You go to Grubhub. Yes, exactly. Go to Grubhub. This is maybe the only authentic thing that she has let slip, which is that the help does everything. Yes. The nannies that we do not see much is on. There are some parallels, by the way, with the Baldwin's reality show. Yes. You know, we'll get to.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, but like the nannies we don't see are the ones rousing these children, feeding these children, getting them dressed, taking them to school. Do you remember? Was it like New York magazine? I forget which profile it was where Megan made this very big show about picking up Archie from school. Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yes. Except she sent the driver out of the car to give it to you. You don't go near a homeless person. You're not Megan Sussex and go in your actual homeless person.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The killer moment, and this is being discussed online quite a bit, was the Mindy Kaling episode. Oh, and the snapback?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So my favorite thing in those clips is when she's talking to Drew and she's got this patented expression down, which is like, the eyebrows go up, the eyes go up. We're just sort of talking in terms of hope and optimism. But I'm also telling you something that's so fucking obvious that I think you're all stupid for not getting that family members show up for each other, however you do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You don't have to pack a thin little book. When you're flying private, by the way, it's not like she's lugging luggage overhead in that little tiny cabin. My favorite story that came out right before this Netflix shit show dropped was that WME's Ari Emanuel had dropped her. He was done with her. And apparently it was because she threw yet another fit Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is all reportedly that his staff hadn't come up with decks and plans for her new shows. Right. They were all supposed to do the conceptualizing, the execution of the vision, what the show was going to look like, what it was going to be about the very premise of it. It's not what an agent does. Like she doesn't want to do it. And thirdly, I saw that clip.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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of the Drew Barrymore show in real time. And I was watching the audience response, the faces of the women in the audience. This was a multi-ethnic group, white women, black women, middle-aged. And every time they cut to them after Megan issued another Beaumont, their faces were like, what the fuck?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. Right. The only soul we're getting is the Motown soundtrack. Everything else is Anglo-Saxon white American culture. It's WASP. It's one percentage privilege. That's it. That's all she is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She. Hillary. Told us she was from Spain. Alec Baldwin used to go on like Letterman, Kimmel all the time and be like, you know, my wife is from Spain. That's right. Like this conferred some sort of specialness on them. And he would imitate her with a Spanish accent. With a Spanish accent.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So I want to know, like if I'm producing this show and I'm giving Alec Baldwin income that he so badly needs because he's uninsurable at this point.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I want the answers. I want to know, Alec, when did you learn that your wife was really a white woman from Boston? Was it with the rest of us? Very privileged Tony school. Right. Was it with the rest of us when we learned it? Because there's a moment in episode one or maybe two where they're doing a confessional on the couch and Hillary's always barefoot. It's very creepy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't want to see your bare feet. I guess she thinks it makes her relatable. She's talking and she starts talking at a fast clip and she's rolling her R's and doing that stuff and he doesn't even look at her. He looks in her direction and he says to her, you are speaking English in a Spanish cadence and I need you to slow it down because that is always very perilous for me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There's so much in that statement. Right. That is just like, holy crap. All the kids have Spanish names.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Alec Baldwin seems like, I mean, it's definitely like a filet-a-do, but he just seems like he's trapped. Like the eye bags are like down to here. Like they're down to here. He's telling a story about in his 20s, he was like rooming with some friend who had a cat. He had this extremely allergic reaction to the cat, wound up in the emergency room. He told this to Hilaria.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The next day she comes home with four cats. cats. What? Four cats, Megan. And he's telling the story and the reaction shot, which is a closeup of her. She's like smirking and looking in the camera. Whoa. It's extreme. There's a very dark, dark, twisted dynamic going on. Right. And aside from the children, they have seven children. They have eight pets. Oh, my God.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So they're living in a duplex in Manhattan, five bedrooms, seven children, four cats, four dogs, at least two nannies, and the two of them, that's 19 people. That is a five-star hotel for migrants in New York, right? Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, she lives for those roadside pressers. Yeah. Do you remember right after the shooting and they were like holed up in Vermont and there was this press pack? That was problematic. And Alec and Hillary got out of the car and Alec had his iPhone like this. He was surreptitiously recording all the media. And Hillary...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's Cringe Netflix Show, Bizarre Baldwins Reality Show, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1021
got herself into like high dungeon and she was like castigating this media. Like, let's be real. She married Alec Baldwin because of the fame and the money. She can't be famous on her own. She has nothing to offer much like Meghan Markle, right? It's very like dual track. Yep. she starts jutting her jaw out and self-righteously yelling at them going, say her name. Her name is Helena.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Say her name. Say her. I'm sorry. Your husband's the one who shot this poor woman. So shut up. It's not our fault. And he turns to her and he says, would you just stop it? Like, I'm going to talk to them. This is my press conference. This is my moment.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, I think it's 100% a rehabilitation show, by the way, using their minor children who have really no say in making their lives, their very emotionally chaotic lives, public. The little that we are seeing of their elder daughter, Carmen, who Alec helpfully tells us is his do-over for Ireland. Oh, my God. And yelling at her in that infamous voicemail. Thoughtless little pig. She was 11.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She missed his phone call. She was a thoughtless little, a rude, thoughtless little pig. But Carmen's his do-over. So this is all very emotionally healthy. I will never forget the interview he gave to George Stephanopoulos. Yep. And he sat there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Which, by the way, the FBI and every ballistics expert will tell you, like, that gun does not get fired without pulling the trigger. Oh, by the way, in this show, the other thing that they pathologize that's hilarious, hilarious is mouthpiece. He is, he is... She tells us he has severe OCD. You're telling me this guy has severe OCD and he didn't open that fucking gun. I don't buy it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like I had real OCD when I was a kid. Like I know what that's like. And it's out of your control. And it's often very much a response of trying to make like an emotionally chaotic situation. Like maybe your parents are out of control emotionally as mine often were. It's a magical kind of thinking way of trying to make sure everything is okay. You have order.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You have order and you have some sort of control. And if you really have that level of OCD, you are double checking everything. Not just the lid of a garbage can. But like a firearm. But a gun with other people in close proximity. And he goes on George Stephanopoulos and then says, by the way, his friend from the Hamptons never disclosed. Then says to him, you know what?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She's the one who told me to point the trigger at her. She's the one who, sorry, the gun. The gun, yeah. She said, right at her, like, what was I to do? That's what she told me. So I did it. Like, actors don't run their own sets. Like, they're not rage egomaniacs. And he was an EP on the whole production as well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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A production, by the way, that had seen his entire crew walk off the set over safety concerns that had been launched multiple times. So he is so full of it. What were the symptoms of your OCD? I'm fascinated. It would be like thinking anything from I have a bad thought and that means something bad is going to happen. You can't get off the thought? Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like it can circle or like I have to check that the oven is off like at least five times before I leave the kitchen. Otherwise, there's going to be a fire that like I could have prevented. Like it's a lot of taking on... responsibilities or catastrophizing things that just aren't real, but you're so trying to, again, like make sure nothing bad happens.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it's strange for a little kid to feel like the onus is on them, right? Did you just grow out of it, Maureen, or- No, I, I had, I had it, it lessened, it would then get worse. And then I went to a therapist who prescribed me like a very low dose of like anti-anxiety meds and those work. Wow. And I'll be on them for the rest of my life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That resolved all that way of thinking. It quiets it immensely. Like it's almost never there. And I actually went off of them. Like I did the thing they say never to do, where like you run out of your pills and you're like, Oh, I think I'm all right. And I'll do it. And like within two months, these like catastrophic thoughts, like I was having these intrusive thoughts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I was like, this isn't me. Wow. Like this isn't me. And then the light bulb goes off. Yes. And you're like, I have to do it. And so now I, but I'm also not a little kid anymore either. Right. And I can look back at my childhood and be like, I understand the origin. It's very funny.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't think he would mind me saying this, but like I would, as a young adult, I disclosed this to my sibling who was like, yeah, me too. Well, you know, it can be inherited. Can it?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, it's funny. I think more people have it than not. I think a lot of people don't talk about it because it feels like you're a smart person. Why are you sort of subjected to this completely illogical thing? When I watched the David Beckham documentary, he's got it really bad. Yes. Really bad. He's meticulous about everything. Like even down to like the length of a candle wick.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like it's very, you know, and it's kind of, it feels like a double-edged sword. It's like maybe he doesn't treat it. So I don't know what he does, if he does anything, but maybe he feels that that level of obsessiveness is also partly responsible for his incredible success, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Wow. I know. So dumb. So that's interesting, though, that you never feel anxiety, really. Never anxiety.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. How does stress then manifest for you? How do you know when you're stressed out or you're possibly approaching, maybe like you've been working a stretch that's super hard, like the election cycle, I would imagine, right? What's the thing that signals to you, oh, I got to stop?
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Really? Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, I know. I know. I can still relate to that. I mean, obviously not something ever that high profile, but the idea of, feeling almost consumed by something and having the knowledge that like super ego in you going, this is bad for you. Why are you allowing this outside thing to control and define who you are? And you know, it can have deleterious effects, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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to physically and you got to, but you have to feel it. Like that's the only way you kind of have to just feel all of those horrible, ugly emotions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh, 100%. Right. I loved. So my favorite was first we meet, it almost looked like a 70s sitcom, like opening credits when they like freeze frame a person. And it's like, you know, Dana Plato is Kimberly on different strokes. And it was like Mindy Kaling. And it was actress Mindy. comma, producer, comma, friend, period. Oh God. All in capital letters, like actress, producer.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's like rewiring your brain, basically, like your thought patterns, trying to interrupt a thought pattern that's destructive. Someone is in your life that is causing you agita. You can't really do anything about it. The thing, though, about like saying I would never say to somebody, never mention that person to me again.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're dead to me because I feel like there's so much energy involved in that. Yeah. Right? It's a lot. It's a lot of energy. Now I'm going to have all this coming back, maybe like so-and-so said, what? Like I'm dead to that. Like I prefer the emotional version of the Irish goodbye, which is the slow fade. Like I will fade you out of my life and you won't really realize it until it's too late.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I find that... And it also allows for a little bit of thought to like sort of process, is this a person I really want out of my life? Or in a limited way, is there something I do get from this relationship or not? But I typically will do like a complete slow fade.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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How about you? That's interesting because I think, and I've realized this since I was like a kid and my mom had such great, she had such high emotional intelligence. She was so good with stuff like this. And sometimes I'll be like, what would she say to me in any moment? Because you get to this age and you still deal with mean girl stuff. You really do. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But I think for me, I think friendship breakups can be worse than romantic breakups. They can be way more devastating. And I don't know if it's because women tend to share so much of ourselves with each other. When you have a really close, intimate friend. I mean, I have friends who I cannot imagine being out of my life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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you know, and the longer they've been in my life, the more important they become to me because you can't replace those friends. You can't replace that kind of institutional knowledge of each other, you know, so.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like I think the bulk of Americans know who Mindy Kaling is for better or for worse. Yes, they do. And then she comes in and I kind of like, I don't really care for Mindy Kaling personally. She's a bit much. She's a bit much. She comes in and she's like overdone. She's like wearing night makeup for day. She had tons of jewelry on, some bling.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The idea that you would have a friend who would drop you because of what you think politically. I know. Like, first of all, you could say the one thing you could never say about you, Megan, is that you are not extremely bright. So you would like how could you have a friend who wouldn't be like this person thinks differently than I do, but I have to respect where she's coming from.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She thinks things through. She reads. She pays attention. She cares. She gives a shit. By the way, one of the few voices out in the wilderness defending girls and women at this very moment. Do you know that's not I that is to say. I would agree with you. I would take that and be like, how good of a friend was that to me? How good of a friend was that to me?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's good information to have, very good information to have. And I say this to other people when- Their friends disappoint them. Like, well, you have some new information. Like, don't forget it. Don't sort of dismiss it because it's inconvenient. Just pocket it away. Like you never know when it might come back to you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I certainly know, you know, there's a part of Long Island that I spend a lot of time in. And, you know, it was my therapist who said it to me because I couldn't understand it. I was like, why are these people so rude to me? Like they partly want to be friends with me and they partly just want to make me feel like shit all the time. And they'll never let me all the way in.
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And she said, it's because of where you work. Right. And I was like, no, it can't be.
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And she was like, no, I think it is. And I realized she was right. And that was great information to have. Yes.
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All the jewelry, the Valentino denim ensemble with like the gold. It all felt very garish and try hard. Yep. So she was immediately kind of like on the back foot because Megan's there in her quiet luxury.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And those people are as it, you know, how they say the average American has maybe three to five good friends. And in that cohort, maybe two are true confidants. And that's definitely true for me, you know, and watching the, by the way, watching the Meghan Markle show,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I literally thought to myself, how lucky am I that I have a sister-in-law who I love so much and who I know, if I ever had a rift with my brother, would do everything in her power to repair it, not make it worse. And she has become one of my true core people. And they're invaluable, like you just said, where you can share the things that keep you up at night or your health stuff.
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or your deepest anxieties about something, and you know they're not going to play into those. They're going to help you out of them.
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It's joyful. To scoop a little bit of that jam in advance. But I feel joyful. I can't wait. Just in case you didn't know, I feel joyful.
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There was a juxtaposition there. You're right. And then Mindy says to Megan, she starts asking her to break down her ensemble. So Megan's like, Zara pants. Woman of the people. Mindy's like, no. No. No way. Now, Laura Piana sweater, which, you know, average base price is $1,300 for Laura Piana. Right. Then just a Jenny Kane sweater on top of that sweater. And that base price is about $395.
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I think they seem to be soft launching their divorce. I mean, if it were the opposite and all of these rumors are flying, wouldn't they make a concerted effort to be seen together? Or just absolutely issue a statement and saying there's no truth to these rumors. I kind of think maybe they're not even sure or maybe one wants it more than the other. You know? She didn't go to the inauguration.
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She did not go to the inauguration. She never gave a really credible, solid reason why she wasn't at Jimmy Carter's funeral. That to me is the... Previous engagement. Previous engagement. What? Now, let's say... I'm trying to think how a publicist would spin it or a crisis manager. Let's say she had had some plastic surgery and Jimmy Carter happened to die during her recovery. Could you not say...
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that then Mindy goes she makes the mistake of what you of what I don't think any malignant narcissist ever takes well which is if you try to praise them too much it backfires like Mindy goes you know you have to talk to me about your fashion is one of my favorite things about you like I'll see you in something and I'll run to the Max Mara website and it's sold out and Megan is opening the refrigerator door and you can see this mixture on her face of like utter disdain and contempt and
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Health reasons. Yeah. And leave it at that. And most people will respect that. That's right. Go near it. But she didn't even say that, which made it seem a very petty, vengeful move on her part.
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So clearly staffers put all this together. Okay. And also, can we ask the lawyer in you to parse these statements? Because, okay, let's take Barack, for example. You still take my breath away. How? Right. With your fucking anger, with your complete inability to just get with the program and show up. At the inauguration, so I don't have to walk in like a lonely soldier. Exactly.
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And then tell people you're mad because I was laughing with Donald Trump. Right. Maybe you're taking my breath away for that reason. Interesting.
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count on for what you're you're my rock always have been always will be in what way like the person who weighs you down right are you weighing me down in the ocean are you the immovable rock around all that we all have to move around like your ambition is the immovable rock and we are the waves crashing against it maybe it's that i
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for that sentiment. And then false humility. Like, oh, me? You follow me? You mean when I'm walking around Montecito in 80 degree weather with my full-on wool Max Mara floor-length coat? You're trying to copy me?
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This was awkward AF. So awkward. And I began to really feel... sympathy for Mindy Kaling because she was doing such a heavy lift. Yeah. You know, I felt like watching this whole thing play out was really interesting in terms of realizing, I don't think Meghan Markle really has any friends. No, she doesn't.
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You don't have a chicknick table to feed your chickens. Did you catch that?
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Literally, Megan, she has a chicken coop. And she talks, so she brings out, I don't mean to get off Mindy, but she brings out to feed them a thick disk of ice. The chickens? Oh, yeah. And inside that disk are frozen organic vegetables, which she then puts down for them so that their yolk, she tells us, will be that much more golden. Oh my gosh. And nutritious.
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And then the camera pans to a miniature picnic table. It looks like something that would go in a child's dollhouse on the ground. And she says, don't laugh at me. That is my chicknick table where I put food for the chickens. Okay. In this economy. Right.
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Of course she does. Sure. She looks like it.
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Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Maureen, I died. Oh, my God. Megan, it's like this is a window into the tiny little brain at work. The absolute not just inauthenticity, but like you want to talk about a lack of original thought and just being totally basic, what they would call a basic bitch. Basic. Like the opening scene of the show. Like you think, OK. The opening scene of this show should be a knockout, right?
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It should make me want to know what's coming next. What is she going to do next? What is she going to say next? She's strolling out to her beehive where she's clearly never been before. She's wearing half the bee outfit. It is clear she's never been. You're right. She's wearing half a bee outfit, not a full bee outfit, okay?
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Because you have to show off the skinny jean, and then she's got the dangling tendrils visible behind the bee screen. And her beekeeper, who seems like kind of an interesting guy, like he's definitely quirky. You have to be quirky if you're around bees all day. They open up the honeycomb, and she goes... Busy bees. See? See? Now, this is what she's been practicing, right?
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It looks like a photo shoot. That beekeeper thing with the sun hitting you and this beatific look on your face. Here it is again. Oh, my God.
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It was, I mean, it was really easy to play straight man to you because the absurdity, like, again, you didn't even have to take it up a level. Like we were just doing what she was doing on the show. That's right. Like when you were like, I'm going to, first of all, this is how much I adore you. Yeah. I bought you store-bought pretzels, right? Like, it's like, that's just funny.
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Of course, yeah. You sort of berate them for not slicing things properly or getting ice together. Or my favorite bit was the faucets and the water. And like, you were criticizing the way I was like... turning the faucet on. First, you helped yourself without asking me. I told, I told Jake who was running the cat. I was like, you left for a minute. I was like, don't tell Megan.
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I'm getting a glass of water. Don't tell her I'm in her cabinet. She's method right now.
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Okay. There's nothing you can't do, I know, I know.
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Are you going to hurt yourself? I'm going to be fine. This is how I... This is how I interchange. Oh! Oh, there you go. Like I've been doing it my whole life. I never doubted you.
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Here we go, yes. Megan, tell me where you got that gorgeous bracelet. It's Megan.
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Like that?
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Okay.
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We're gonna get rid of the little Lipton signs. Can I ask you, is there a reason you're not using British tea, but American tea? I've got an issue with the Brits.
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You may have read about it. Just to make it extra special.
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This is sort of the history of our friendship. I do all the heavy lifting. Here she comes. Here she comes.
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Someone put too much water in the mixer. Someone got left alone in the kitchen for another costume change. Not to worry.
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sum and substance of coming to Megan's house for fun. You're going to eat dog food, and you're going to like it. Come. Good job. OK, that's it. Your dogs are so well-behaved.
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I am dying. I was, like, doubled over in tears. I'm on my second tissue. We're both fixing our makeup during the video. Oh, my God. I mean, also, Strudwick really, I think, the secret weapon of that entire bit. Because Megan's dog, I believe she probably sedated that dog. Yeah. He sat perfectly in his little perfect doggy bed.
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And Strudwick was like, what didn't make the cut, and I hope you show online or something, is Strudwick escaping to the pool. Oh, yeah. And we're in our black tie. That's right. In the middle of the day. And you had to run out. Yes. In your sequined gorgeous gown. Like trying to get Strudwick out of the pool while the sun tea is still brewing.
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And I was like, your pool guy must think you have lost your mind.
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You know, we got those at the mail. I should have brought them for you. You would die. Hers? Yeah. Okay. So they come in this, they come in... I guess the packaging for her crepe mix, maybe? Or the shortbread, whatever. The crepe mix, which she tells us, by the way, is French style. Thanks so much. Because crepes are actually a French invention. They are, by definition, French style, Megan.
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And then there's this little cellophane baggie. Now, as you and I have previously discussed, I've never consumed street drugs. I know people who have, and it looks like a little drug baggie. It's so cheap. And inside are these like flakes, these multicolored flakes that you would never go. Those are fruit petals. Those are lovely little fruit petals.
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They look like hard pieces of lint, like that you would pull out of the dryer. You're better off with sprinkles. And also, until you went, so we were, I was deputized, thank you, Megan, to pick the flowers, the hydrangea petals off, right?
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Before we put them in the plastic ice tray. You said, look at the label. What does that label say to you? What does that label say to you? Just like a nun. What does that label say to you? And it said non-edible, which by the way, whenever I purchase flowers, I never think like, should I look and see if this is an edible item? Should I eat these? this way? Should I eat these?
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Oh no, these I can't eat. Those I can't eat. Can I eat the peonies maybe?
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It was hard labor and I was actually surprised. I thought it was maybe sort of a threat that would not be made good. The fruit platter almost killed me. Yeah. Fruit platter almost did me in. I was like, are we done? Is this it? We were not. No. We were not. But yeah. We were exhausted by the end of that. I mean, fruit was slipping out of our hands. Yes.
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You were berating me for washing fruit too hard. Like you were really channeling her. I was method.
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Yeah.
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Drinking champagne with just constantly piling fruit in, which we both acknowledge was actually pretty good. Yeah. We're going to give her that one. I'll give her that one. But really just guzzling, guzzling, guzzling because it was partly in character and we're in fur for day. Like we really took it up.
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And then when it was all over, just sitting and like having a moment to take all of our hard work in. Yes. We really, we really, really, really worked hard that day.
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Yes. That's why I serve champagne liberally. And why I kept topping you off to try to, like, blunt some of that mean energy coming my way.
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Maureen, welcome back. You know, Megan, I've said this to you before, and I mean it, truly. I do not know what I've done to deserve you. I really, really don't. Oh, Maureen. And you... That was your idea, by the way. I'm just going to give you full credit for it, to do the Meghan Markle spoof show. And we got, I think, to act out a lot of our frustration.
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Now...
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I look like an 80-year-old. I look like I have a form of dwarfism.
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Ew. Oh my God. Ew. Oh my God. But this is like, this would be you at like, that would be me at maybe two. This would be you. I feel like it's six maybe.
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I love this. I love that. It's very Meghan Markle with your hair. falling right into the food that you're creating. That's right.
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It was very cathartic.
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She deserves it, and I think the... The real loss is really only going to be Meghan Markle's because, as we've discussed before, she has zero sense of humor. And if she could laugh at herself at all, she might really, really see the humor in that. And especially the interpersonal dynamics that she has with her great friends who come over.
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So the line that killed me was when I asked you about your mini brainstorms of decanting and repackaging in multiple plastic containers. And you said... and I'm guessing you have like in the next wave of our friendship, I'll try to explain it to you. Like you could unpack the microaggressions in that one statement for days. It's like, there were so many things that were just flying by my head.
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Megan just cut me right off. She was really good at asking me a barbed question, like an insult, right? Oh, I love you. I know all your weak spots. Let me go right here. And then I try to answer in a way that will recover some dignity, and you just cut me right off. No way. On to your next, you know, back to you, back to you.
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And I think we are absorbing a lot of communal energy. Yes. Because the response, just even to the trailer that you put up last night, has been like a huge catharsis. They're with us. They're with us. Everyone's with us.
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You're kidding me. We've been renewed. Oh, my God. Well, of course, we're still great, right? The people have spoken. I mean, you are great. I'm all right. But you're, you listen, it's your show.
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Okay. I've been dying to talk to you about this because I was on, I was commuting on the train and listening to episode one.
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Okay. So I did, I think I did too. Again, you're always overachieving. I mean, even listening, like even when we were talking about the Netflix show, I said, I watched these following episodes. There were three in total. You go, I did four. Great. You got to commit when it comes to this woman. You're going to fall behind. I know. I'm doing my best. That mountain gets harder to climb every time.
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It's painstaking. That first episode struck me. Okay, she's got the founder of Bumble on.
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Now, I would never have been able to tell you her name. No, still can't. Right. So again, where's the Gwyneths of the world, right? Where are the real starry, starry founders? Yep. This entire episode, it was like watching a toothless child try to eat some oatmeal. It was just like conversations about intentionality, making space, giving oneself permission to love oneself.
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Tell me how any of this is applicable to building an actual business.
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Well, so the Whitney, the Bumblewoman episode was notable for a couple of things, but one was, so Whitney goes to Megan, do you mind if I tell the story about you? The Ireland story. Can I tell that story? Like it's this really private, sacred piece of information. Megan goes, oh yeah, yeah, of course you can tell that story. So they had just met.
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And by the way, the way they met was like Megan invited her and her husband over for a New Year's Eve party. which is really like how you get to like forge, you know, some intimate bonding when you're having people over for a huge holiday party, whatever. She goes, okay, so I'm in the airport in Ireland and I go into, you know, one of those, like, what do you call them? Like a newsstand?
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Lord.
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And I said to myself, how does this woman deal with all of this attention? oh my God, how does she manage it? And it was just like, Megan was just like, I know.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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this is the nerve when ben affleck moves out of the 65 million dollar marital home he shared with j-lo in the metaphorical dead of night while she's off in europe we're going to analyze it like the collapse of the roman empire when megan markle drops yet another mediocre show or podcast we're going to take it all apart like a pinata We'll also be covering true crime in real time.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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I think you're 100% right. This is only her third episode. I can't think of anybody I would go to for advice less than Michelle Obama. She really doesn't know what she's talking about. First of all, she loves to tell us she hated Barack for a good decade. Yes. Okay. Please teach me how to have a successful relationship with someone that you clearly respect and admire.
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Every time she's on the air, it's like, I'm dragging this ball of dead weight behind me. His name, Barack Obama. He's bringing me down. I'm trying to elevate myself with like these things on my head. It looks like Mickey Mouse. It's Like the two ears up there. These two big balls on the left and the right of her head. Like what kind of midlife crisis is she in the throes of right now? No.
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That's what it looks like. Like the back of a stegosaurus. I think that her... Do you remember Meghan McCain used to go on The View with those? Yeah. And everybody's theory was that her styling team, like her glam squad, must be working out some animus towards her. Because anyone else would be like, no, no, no, not for today. Not a good idea.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
And she's also, Michelle, so she's constantly hitting that wound of like, are we divorcing? Don't be gossiping about us. I'm just trying to be an independent woman over here. I hate my husband, but I love my husband, but you know. When she's not doing that, so her brother is her podcast co-host. She's constantly berating him. Like every episode, you didn't tell me you were having marital problems.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Like he has to explain to her a million freaking times, hey, I was trying to work out my marriage. And if they did work out and I told you what the problems were, you would hold a grudge against my wife for the rest of your days. Which is real. We all know it. We all know. Nobody holds a grudge like Michelle Obama.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
I think that's a very unhealthy position to take or to advise other people to gut it out for 10 years of misery. I mean, first of all, what that would do to you physically alone. I would never want to sign up for that. And secondly... Does she not realize that by talking shit about her partner of decades, first black president of the United States, she's talking shit about herself.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Lady, you chose him. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
He made her famous. And aside from the lawyer, she didn't she get like didn't Valerie Jarrett give Michelle Obama like a no show administrative job at a Chicago hospital like 600 K a year while they were all getting ready. They were all grooming Barack to be president. Right. That young of an age, the Chicago political apparatus knew this guy could go to the White House. Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
So they were like, let's take care of him and let's take care of the wife and like, let's make sure everything's seamless. I also really do think the root of her rage is that he is a natural star. He was born with many gifts that through self-esteem and great education, he allowed himself to cultivate. He allowed himself to achieve greatness. She grinds it out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
She's grinding it out on this podcast. You listen to this podcast. You're like, why am I listening to this woman bitch and moan and complain? I've got better things to do with my free time. And you know what else is very clear?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
She can deliver it. And you know what else? So Barack, I think he got his oratorical skills from the churches. You know, he gets a lot of that. Robert Wright. Yeah, that cadence and that way of bringing a crowd up and then taking them down. She, I think...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
prior to Harvey and the clink, I think he was hooking her up with like the Meryl Streep's or her acting coach or whoever, and getting her really like, you know, up there at that level. But you're absolutely right because whatever charisma she's able to display at like a DNC speech, she can't do it in the confines of it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
That's incredible. And that's, you know, we were doing a dress rehearsal yesterday for The Nerve and we were saying, you know, this is like, this is the place where you can't get canceled. This is not what we're here for. That's right. Yeah. And I love the name, by the way, The Nerve. Thank you. It's so clever.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Well, thank you for those kind words. And yes, I always want to come at something from a different angle, just like you do. And it's not like it's that hard for me. It's just like I get tired of hearing the same people parrot the same talking points or the same observations when I'm thinking differently. And instead of going, I should shut that off because like I think differently.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
I want to express that because I think and suspect that more people than not feel the way I do. They just can't say it because now it's not the thing you say. Because they don't have the nerve. Exactly. But that's with Michelle Obama. That's it. There is not an original thought rattling around in that head. She's having conversations that like tweenagers have. Yes. It's so boring.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Nobody's watching it. It's so boring.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Well, it's apt right now because I am more nervous than I've ever been in my entire life. I am having physiological, but I will be ready to go in that chair next week. I'm working it out a little bit. That makes it even more fun for us to watch. Oh yeah, sure. We're not used to seeing you nervous.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
It's still not going to make her anything less than Oprah's best friend. Number one. Number two, journeys. It's not a ride. It's a journey. I mean, I thought journey was also now a diminution of sorts. Like, isn't journey something we apply to the new season of The Bachelor? It's like it's a journey. It's self-help. It's back to self-help. We're on a journey.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Third, my favorite thing is, so her outrage... is in direct disproportion to actual space flight, right? Which this is not. This is like a vanity project. And you know it's bad when other celebrities come out and mock you. Like that almost... Celebrity on celebrity violence almost never happens. But we're witnessing it right now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
She goes... I think she was talking to Entertainment Tonight on the red carpet and she, you know, clapping back at her trolls and critics. She says, I mean, the unmitigated comic. And she goes... When you go to space, when you take that, then you come back and you talk to me about it. You tell me the magnitude of it. Once you, me, the little people, like, oh, anybody can do this?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
All you have to do is be wealthy or famous enough to befriend Jeff Bezos and his sex doll blow-up fiance. Make sure that when you go up there, you can have full glam, that Gail's wig, alleged, is affixed. Yes. That the fake eyelashes aren't falling off in zero gravity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Don't float off on their own. That Katy Perry, I've read, spent more time looking at the camera with her daisy for her daughter than outside at the moon.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Well, what about when, was it Lauren Sanchez? They were recording themselves going, girl power, girl, like, don't make me be ashamed of my gender, okay? So cringe. Going, oh my God, you guys, look, we're seeing the moon. Like, guess what? We all see the moon just fine down here. Have you seen the moon rise? Great.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Did Katy Perry ever leave the lens? I don't think so. She's really trying to move tickets, which is not happening. It's just like it's like this is like end times kind of like, you know, the rich and the famous going up on a joyride into space. Like space colonization is a really serious thing. You know, like it's the future of humanity. Like every visionary will tell you that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Every futurist will tell you that. And these three are up there taking selfies and spouting inanities such as take up space. Something Meghan Markle would say, take up space, but you're in outer space. Like comparing yourself to Alan Shepard, comparing yourself to heroes who, when they first went into space, weren't sure they were going to like just disintegrate up there. Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Astronaut. You're not an astronaut. You're not an astronaut. You're not an astronaut. You cannot be anything you want, despite what this culture tells you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Have you been to Epcot Center? Give me your Yelp review when you come back, okay? So have I. Should we get some stripes? Should we get some like laurels? I mean, I can't.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Exactly. What does that tell you? And are they your friends? And it doesn't help your sinking morning show, which is like circling the drain. Why are there no questions, by the way, as to how an alleged journalist can be so close with others?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
one of our foremost billionaires and take a joyride into space and not ask any critical questions or do this in any way that resembles something approaching journalism.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Oh, my God. Women have been in space. Men have been in space. Dogs have been in space. Monkeys. Monkeys have been in space. Much of this earthbound... William Shatner. William Shatner. William Shatner has been to space. I think he made less of a deal out of it. Martha Stewart's been space-esque. She's been to space. Like...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
we're not like, and I also thought like, I think Gayle King is having some weird crisis because did you see those images of her before she got on? And she was so nervous. She was like in tears.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Oh yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
But you're still in space and like it's still like a new form of I always I often think of like people who started traveling by airplane almost as soon as commercial aviation was invented. That's ballsy. That's ballsy. Right. And I think this is kind of ballsy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
And I kind of think the demeanor and the behavior of these ridiculous people, notwithstanding, like I thought it was I'm like, I'm sure Oprah got that invite to go up with Gail because they're like this. And Oprah said no. Well, you know, she was there. She was on the ground with the Kardashians. Right. With the Kardashians. Nothing frivolous. Nothing. Nothing frivolous about this. No.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
But I also suspect that Kris Jenner said no. I think there were lesser tier known people on that flight. And I often also wonder, like, so Katy Perry's in this cohort. Like, what do she and Orlando Bloom have in common with Jeff Bezos? Like what are those four getting up to together that has forged such tight knit, because like it can't be intellect.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
That's who she, but again, choosing to befriend.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
It's perfect. Yeah. I love it. I love the continued implosion, the hypocrisies. You know, apparently democracy is dying, but God damn it, AOC and Bernie are going to fly private or first class. Don't you dare put them back in coach with the rest of us.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
I love these sort of self-appointed... First of all, I also just love that, like, people are talking about AOC as the future of the Democratic Party. I really think it would have happened by now. Like, her message is very... It's very specific. It's very niche. It's not realistic. That's what James Carville is saying. He's like, we tried the Bernie thing twice and failed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Yeah, it's not going to work. And then people see this and everybody who pays the slightest bit of attention knows that AOC's origin story is completely false. She is a very well-off girl from like Westchester, New York, had a great education.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
This is the kind of, again, like when people can barely make their weekly grocery runs without trying to rob Peter to pay Paul in their own bank accounts, you see this stuff and you immediately tune out. I cannot believe a word you're saying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
If you have to tell people that you're inspirational, you're not.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Well, we never hear her talk about student loans, do we?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
So her parents clearly financed that four-year ride. Right. The only thing that really shocks me about that little clip you played is that she didn't code switch into her working class Latina accent, which working people love nothing more than when you pander to them. Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
You can start from nothing and build your way up through dint of hard work, determination, fair amount of luck, but really you can do or become anything you want. And she's spouting the message that this country is stacked against you. And that you are fated to be nothing or to be less than the things to which you aspire. I don't get why the Dems think that this is a winning message.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
In her mind, it makes her special because she that's the one thing that she that I think that's the one part of her bio that she thinks gives her bona fides with the working class. I waitress. She makes it sound like she was in some hellhole dive bar. It would be like you telling the telemarketers story like you're in a third world call center. You know what I mean? Like I worked retail.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Like I don't, it's not a badge of honor. It's like what you do when you're a certain age and you have only certain, you have no experience. You've got only certain jobs open to you. You take them. That's it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
It's so good to see you thank you so much for having me to your beautiful incredible Kitchen this whole thing. I'm so glad to be renewing our lifelong friendship me too. I haven't heard from you in forever. I wondered what happened You know the kids. Did I do something?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
My look.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Yes. This is just... They're re-victimizing him all over again. They're making the victim the perpetrator, the aggressor. They're going to racialize this. And maybe there is a racial component. I don't know. But we never come at things truthfully anymore.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Jam. No kidding. There's a huge market. Huge. I never saw you as really a jam person. But we know each other so well. I mean, that's what I mean. Like we know each other so well and still this takes me by surprise. That's what I mean. It's almost done. Only 32 seconds more.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
It's okay, it's not expensive like your clothes are.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
So now what's important is to make sure that there's a bow on everything which is going to have to do a little cutting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
They're spectacular how yeah, you bought those you think what did you go and buy them in the store.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Could you? Of course, yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Could you open a bit more? Okay. And then I just dump it. Where are you getting all these mini brainstorms? I'm so impressed by this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
It's just so fun sharing my love language with my friends. Yes, yes. I mean, this is what friendship is all about, really. This special time of bonding and me asking you lots of questions about yourself. Right. Because you really come alive when you talk about yourself, Megan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
I don't know if we're supposed to maybe mention your marriage, which seems like the love story of all love stories, really.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Right. The most important thing. And friendship. Yes. Friendship. Yes, yes. Where would we be without her? friends and I have my pretzels is yet another token of the high esteem in which you hold me it's super high rate, OK could not be higher. I'm crying. I'm crying. I'm laughing so hard. I have not seen any of that. That day flew, by the way. It flew. And we had not talked before.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
There was no script. I didn't even have like a scene breakdown of anything. Nothing. Just walked in cold. And I don't know whether to be proud of us or feel sorry for us that we are so well versed in what Meghan Markle or her supplicant would say at any given moment that we could just ad lib all day long. Yeah. And the cocktails helped a lot. Those were real.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
Well, I told you after that... To me, like my inner child really came out. My inner child who spent 12 years being tormented by nuns in Catholic school. Right. So the instinct is just defer and run the other way. Right. So that's all I had to do with you is just defer, defer, defer and get out of there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Meghan Markle's "Founder" Absurdity, Michelle Trashes Barack Again, and Launching "The Nerve," with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1052
I'm Sussex now. Snap at any moment, like turn on the charm just a little bit or like, but I did tell you, you were slightly terrifying that day. You were very, very, very good as Meghan Markle. Uh, I, I, I I'm dying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
First of all, right. If you don't think she can do the job, why are you picking her for your VP? Right. So insurance policy. Exactly. His insurance policy. And it's also, it goes to why DEI is falling apart all over the place right now. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
And secondly, what I remember Pelosi saying, because remember when she was doing the rounds and she was going well, if Joe thinks she's the best, then she's the best. She's the best choice. Like she wouldn't say it. Nancy Pelosi with like her whole sort of like, it's really time to go. Every time I see her interviewed, she's got like a dirty tissue clumping in her hands.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
Like, you know what I mean? It's like, just go, just go. Yeah, go.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
But to the Kamala thing, what I remember Pelosi saying was like, oh, she's smarter than you think because she spent that Sunday in which she told the American people her first question to Joe when he called was, are you sure? Are you sure you're going to drop out? She hung up the phone and she started whipping calls. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
I know how mentally compromised you've been all this time. You know, again, she knows where a lot of those bodies are buried as well. And she, I think, also knew that in this sort of strategic warfare that is this game, it would be Biden's ultimate FU to Obama, who never thought Biden had what it took in the first place. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
It's the biggest political story of the last 20 years, I think. I really do. And I don't understand how, as a reporter, you could just shy away from it. I mean, again, if this were a Republican, I mean, all the gloves would be off. You know, he would have been 25th Amendmented or forced to resign. And the whole thing, too, about letting him play out his term as though, well, we owe it to him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
I know. I'm sorry. He works for us. Right. It's not the other way around. We don't owe him anything. We don't owe him anything. You got all the money from selling out, you know, national security. This is how much, though, I think people have Biden fatigue.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
Like those photos that came out of Biden and Hunter with those Chinese businessmen where he had said multiple times, I never facilitated a meeting. I was never present at a meeting. Right. but like nobody cares. It's just like, just go, just go take your dirty money and your dirty family and go.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
Nobody cares. The vintage Corvette that Biden loves to brag about the when the fires were raging. I mean, they're still ongoing, but when they were raging. And Biden finally showed his face and said, I've got one piece of good news. You know, my son lives here and it looks like his house is still standing. Like, oh, you mean that like Malibu beachfront house that like his sugar daddy paid for?
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
Like, are you kidding me? I mean, I would love to also know how Nancy Pelosi got so rich.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
That's just true. In his defense. So, I mean, we got to give him some grace.
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
I just wish for one, someone would just give it right back. Like this is related and then we'll go right back to this. But the other day at the Hegseth hearing, and you covered this when the, I forget which Congressman or Senator said, Hey, how many of you have shown up on the floor drunk to cast a vote? Like while they're going on with like, have you cheated on your wife?
The Megyn Kelly Show
New Details About Biden Coup, CNN Loses Millions in Defamation Case, and Obama Drama, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 985
Like how many of them are cheating on like, it's a bastion of moral authority out of here. Right. So anyway, Lawrence O'Donnell interview was also, he's such a blowhard. He's such an insufferable, overfed blowhard. Like he begins the interview by saying, you know, when you were giving your farewell address the other night from the Oval, I was, I was right there.
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I was sitting right there with your family. And I was looking at you. It's like, he has to let us know he was in the room before we can begin with this bullshit proceeding. You're very important. Thank you. You're so important. You're on your way out the door. Your network is failing. Great. Okay. Enjoy your time in the sun. But it really goes like Biden is part Irish or largely Irish.
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And it's like completely counter to the notion of the Irish goodbye. Yes. She's like my favorite thing to do, which is like you just sneak out. Nobody knows you left. You don't have to go through the whole rigmarole, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I would love that for him.
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How is that Elon Musk's fault? If you have a job you can't handle, like Biden can't literally handle being president, I... The hypocrisy, okay? So it was Biden's administration that went to Facebook and said, that laptop, Hunter laptop, that's a Russian plant. It's fake news. They're the ones, Twitter-
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disabled the new york post account because the post was the only one reporting on it and it was fake news fake news fake news it's a media that's been in lockstep with him and has been censoring stuff that they don't quite like you know so spare me yeah bear me is this because mark zuckerberg grew his hair out and said he's getting rid of dei and censorship that's what he's and now he's part of the oligarchy right that keeps the little man down and from getting a job right what
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Right. No. Oh, Megan, the searching. What? Like he was like nodding off. Yes. Almost like a junkie, like nodding off and then like springing back up and like the eyes casting about for the word. And then the like phrase that connects to the thought. But the thought got lost.
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I don't understand that. I thought maybe you got it because I got lost early on. I have nothing to add. I can't be helpful. Did he say like Barack used to say to me when I was a kid?
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And he also spoke about Bo in the present tense right there. I mean, I blame Jill Biden.
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Oh, 100%. But I also would not rule out Biden's malignant narcissism and egotism. And I think, you know, this will sound crass, but I truly think it's true. The only thing keeping him alive at this point is presidential power and access to the money and the celebrities and all of it. And the glory he gets from reading the news coverage of his administration, which mirrors back to him.
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It's exactly why like he wasn't believing Chuck Schumer because apparently his team was only supposed to give him good news.
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the hand gestures are getting even bigger. They are. She looks like she's signing ASL, like some press conference for a governor, you know, like get out. And by the way, it's not like you would ever know that a major American city is being burned to the ground. Like it looks like it's been hit by a nuclear bomb. Yeah. You would never know. No.
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These people are like congratulating themselves on the way out the door.
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And I don't know if you played the soundbite from her the other day telling Californians what to do, which was like, it was totally inane. We did not play it. Do we have it? We'll find out. Okay. It was basically like- Oh, we did? Oh yeah, we did play. Okay. You did? Yeah. It was basically like, be safe and listen to announcements. Do what you can.
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It's like, it's very, you are so right with your Meghan Markle comparison, like the verbosity, like all the words deployed to say nothing. Oh, with nothing.
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I did. I thought, wow, I definitely now think my theory that Netflix was the one to pull the plug on her show. And it wasn't her idea or her unilateral decision because had it been, she would have been like, now's the time I go to ground. Nobody needs to see me in this devastation.
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Yeah, I've got my most concerned face on while reportedly that woman she was hugging was a member of her own team.
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Yeah. She saw a camera. She doubled back and it was time for a hug with a concerned face. You know, the baseball cap lid just high enough so we can see everything. Just high enough. Just high enough. I saw footage of her also at like donating like bags of clothes, like cut a check for I know.
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Again, like failing to ever learn a lesson, read a room. Like, okay, you got called disaster tourists. Take it. Take the hit. First of all, it's true. Good for Justine Bateman. Why'd you go to Uvalde if you're not? Please. That was the most disgusting thing. The most like if there's there's certain people when they do something, I think to myself, I will never put another penny in their pocket.
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Right. Alicia Keys, her pro Hamas posts. Totally what she denied. I said never again. Not a penny in her pocket. These people are disgusting. And so they, they feel that we need to know that they are offended by this again, while LA is burning and people are going to be left with nothing. And these people are going to be screwed. Like they have no insurance, the federal government.
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It's very exciting. It's very exciting. And you just shared with me that it's moved indoors.
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Like if you try to get help from them, good luck. It's designed to break you.
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Well, she said in her post, they're all so slippery. She's like... By the way, I didn't start this GoFundMe, so don't blame me. I'm just like being a good person and putting it out there for my brother-in-law who lost like $60,000 worth of musical equipment. Like cry me a river. You lost your instruments. They should have been insured for one. I don't care. So she goes, we're asking for $60,000.
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Oh, and if you don't like it, kindly F off. No one's forcing you to do anything, which is not the point. And I cannot tell you how gratifying it was to go through all these sort of comments from people who were like, Mandy Moore, like, I thought you were like a decent person. Like, fuck you. Right. Like you make, she made 23 million reportedly just from this is us alone. That's much.
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She doesn't have to work another day in her life. She could replace that $60,000 worth of musical. Easily. I bet her couch cost her that. Exactly, her custom-made couch. Even Gwyneth Paltrow isn't doing this stuff.
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That's saying something.
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And that's not the feels like, you know, when you go on your phone and you're like, check the feels like the real thing. No. And it would be, I don't think that's ever happened before.
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Totally what they were doing. I mean, I loved Prince, but one of my favorite things about him, which I learned after he died, was the extent of his charitable donations and how involved he was with programs for underprivileged youth. You never knew it. It was the same with George Michael. You never knew it.
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It goes to one of my favorite sayings, which is, if you do something good for someone else and more than those two people know about it, you did it for the wrong reason.
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First of all, I've been listening to your coverage about this and the line you had the other day about, well, I might die, but at least I'm in the presence of what?
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Hey, I was actually at the bank yesterday and next to me at the teller was a firefighter and they were talking about this. He and the teller were talking about this and he said... this is the thing about why we are wary of female firefighters.
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He said, we're afraid that they might lose their courage in an emergency, like to run into a burning building with all of that stuff on you, like trying to get people out. I think men who do it are crazy, wonderfully crazy. I'm too afraid. Yes. So the,
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But also, you know, this sort of ties into Biden because I'm looking at what's going on in California and seeing Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass, who is wearing this insufferable smile on her face at all times. Yes. And this fire chief. And it's like there is no such thing as accountability anymore. as shame anymore.
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It seems the worse of a job you do, the better you give yourself on a performance ranking. You're like, you think you're doing a five when the public thinks you're doing a zero, when all evidence to the contrary exists, such as your entire town burning to the ground.
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So, I mean, this is tangential, but, um, I was looking at an episode the other night of only murders in the building and cast as an NYPD detective is an obese black woman. And I'm thinking to myself, would she really pass the physical fitness requirement to be a police officer?
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Yes. Yeah. Yes. But like that's, that's the, that's the messaging we're getting in the mirroring. We're getting like, this is supposed to be like a thing where you don't even realize for a second, like, no, that doesn't fit. Yeah. That doesn't apply. Right. The real, it should not apply. Right.
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And this is one of the things that we were supposed to have learned from Afghanistan and Iraq when, you know, an all-volunteer army, very few American men and women really looking to join that fight after a while. And the army and the military had no choice but to lower standards. So they were letting in people who either physically couldn't do it, intellectually didn't have the capabilities.
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You know, I mean, this is a very long tail we're dealing with.
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100%. And you also have to think, you know, if you are a young man thinking of joining up, like they're thinking, who's going to be in my foxhole? Is it going to be a DEI hire? Who's going to try to drag me out behind like an assault or not? You know, I mean, it's, it's such a practical, again, common sense thing. And finally, now we're having these grownup discussions about it because it's,
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They're not going to like my jacket that I'm wearing. The trick is you say it's vintage, buy vintage, came to you through a dead family member, you're recycling, you're upcycling. Right. Yeah. This one already gave its life.
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over the past four, eight, 12 years to do so is to be a racist, is to be a bigot, is to be one of my favorite epithets, an ableist.
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An ableist. I'm an ableist when it comes to our armed forces. I am. Likewise, you know? So I just, I'm gratified by everything that's sort of happening. And I think what's going to happen in LA is a complete flushing out of this toxicity. Like Gavin Newsom is done. Yep. Karen Bass, I mean, holy. Like, when she was being interrogated, like, after deplaning, but before they, like, let her off.
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By the Sky News reporter? And she's looking at the ground and her eyebrows are knitting as he's asking questions. And I was literally thinking to myself, like, is she, like, functionally a moron?
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Yeah. I just, I don't know how we as Americans could turn our backs on the hardworking people who are really going to suffer. I don't know how the federal government just leaves them to it. To me, it's as bad as FEMA people being told to ignore homes with Trump stakes in them.
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You stick with these leaders. They are suffering for it. And I do think they're going to learn their lesson.
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And you know what the actual truth of it is? And I learned this a long time ago. If you go to buy fake fur, quote unquote fake fur, often it's made from real fur. Oh, really? And the manufacturers just try to sort of dupe you into thinking you're not wearing real fur. Oh. But nothing will get through real fur. You won't feel it.
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No. And you know what else is really... I shouldn't be shocked because it's CNN. But I was glued to that coverage and I read everything I could about it. And instead of CNN really going down the rabbit hole of how Biden was able to do this, despite every top general telling him not to do it. Despite every top advisor telling him this is not the way, he went ahead and did it.
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And people died and babies were thrown over barbed wire fences to U.S. servicemen. The desperation, we left American conspirators behind. We told them, we will protect you. And when push came to shove, we were like, we're out. Sorry, every man for himself.
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And it was these ex-military guys, I don't know if Zachary is ex or still, but who took it upon themselves, many remotely from America, to organize people, to organize former Navy SEALs to get these poor people out. But CNN instead thought the better story was, oh, one of these guys is trying to line his pockets. Like, that kind of tells you where their weather vane is.
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Right. And Wolf Blitzer getting kicked out of primetime and he's getting a morning show. Like what 67 year old is like 76, I think 76. I'd love to get up at 4 a.m., 5 a.m.
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It's, oh, my God, Ted Knight on the Mary Tyler Moore show. That's that. Like, more insane than this woman giving him this little placard, whatever, and is him holding on to it. Right. Like, imagine how many times he's moved offices and told some assistant, like, you got to get that. Don't leave that behind. I'll fire you. Get my sign.
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Like, he's going to take it home and have it framed when he retires.
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Set your DVR. California only.
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Oh my God. Speaking of just, can I say, you know, you, you often say this thing that Roger Ailes told you, which is watch with the sound off and see if you can tell what the story is. The LA wildfires breaking out on Wednesday morning. Is it Abby Phillip? Who's the morning person?
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Because she was doing a remote interview with somebody in the field in California and she had her phone in the shot and she was like this. What? It was like she was online shopping while she was getting this, like, incoming dispatch, like, we're burning to the ground over here and there's no water and no one's coming.
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Do you know who that reminds me of too? Who? Selena Gomez, who's been on this huge press tour. She's in that movie, that transgender musical. Oh, yeah. Which I refuse to see. Right. I mean, who's going to watch that? No one's going to watch that. But she has the flattest affect. Like she's been doing this press tour like it's her best year ever.
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And she sounds like she's on like medication for like treatment resistant depression.
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Well, listen, I don't think you need to justify this to anybody. Okay. I really don't. Apparently I do. Be like Meghan Markle. Stand in your power. Stand in your truth.
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Okay. I had a different take while reading this indictment, which is a ride. Like when I got to the part with the duffel bag and I'm like, and the women, the women, and I'm like, okay, when does the wife come in? There's a wife here somewhere. She comes in later in the narrative.
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But I was thinking like, I would bet a guy with this level of intellect and a guy who probably likes to take on risky cases, like has a need for some kind of adrenaline like this. Oh. And like in his off time, this is relaxing to him to maybe like literally bet the house, you know? Yeah. To like literally owe people money who would break your legs or kill a loved one if you don't pay up.
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Like there was a part in the indictment where he hired, he was going to play like a super high stakes game. Like if you saw the movie Molly's Game, like you know what these rooms are like. Yeah. And he hired this two professional poker players to watch film or basically game out.
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his opponents in a game, the way the mistakes they made, like sort of break down their psyches, then read the mistakes that he made. It was like game film, like a Tom Brady, you know?
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A lot. And, and the amount of like, and the, and the hubris to like go to a bank and be like, give me a $4 million loan while he's got an outstanding $10 million personal loan from somebody else in Beverly Hills. Like I, this case to me is so reminiscent of the ongoing Tom Girardi, Erica Jane scandal. Explain who that is. So Erica Jane is a cast member of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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One of the best of the franchise. Yeah. She was a much younger trophy wife to a very famous criminal attorney named and civil attorney, I believe, Tom Girardi, who was most known as the lawyer who litigated for Aaron Brockovich. Oh. So he had that going for him. And he was held in high esteem, and he moved with all the movers and shakers. Turns out, for decades, he had been fleecing his clients.
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So he would represent, he represented the widows and orphans of, like, one of the biggest plane crashes in recent memory. Fleeced them.
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And he pled dementia at a very crucial time in this case. Oh, you don't know what you're missing. I need to get more involved in the Real Housewives drama. The lawyer in you. I know. Some of the best TV ever. Meanwhile, his wife is saying, well, I didn't know anything and I'm not giving up all the jewelry he gave me with that dirty money. Widows and orphans, I don't care. Be damned.
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Widows and orphans, be damned. There's a great Hulu documentary. I think it's called The Housewife and the Hustler. Oh. And they interviewed one of them. Into it. It's amazing. They interviewed one of the victims that he fleeced. I'm going to say quote unquote fleeced. This guy was burned nearly beyond recognition. That he is still alive is a miracle.
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He stole the millions and millions this guy was awarded. Oh, wow. And there were women and there were... I mean, like everything. So that's this to me. Like my...
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He really does feed off that energy. He really does. And it's like, it's also what a great, because we were just talking before going on air that like I'm going to cover it with like the regular rank and file press corps. And I was dreading being on that riser in that freezing cold weather. It's such a commonsensical thing to do.
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100%. But my God. Well, you know, the other thing about that was, oh, my favorite part of that was, so apparently one of the women had her lawyer go to this guy and say, listen, you got to pay us some money for her to keep quiet. And he said, don't bother. I owe so and so 10. I have so many debts. You never see the money. Like, do what you want. Like, I can't. I'm not.
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This is too small time for me.
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I'm too. Well, forget even about the crime. Think about like how, like when you were starting out in your career or like any of us starting out and like, you know, unpaid bills or outstanding student loan debt can literally keep you up at night. Like decent people are like, oh my God, how am I going to pay this? Yes.
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And this guy's like, I'm just going to take a duffel bag and I'm going to cross national boundaries. And I'm going to have like, he had like an offshore account, like in Mauritania, like just what, like, this is like, I want, I want the like scripted and unscripted version.
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And it sort of sets the tone for this like incoming administration, which is people just want common sense to rule the day. That's a good point.
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Not that guy. The height of respectability.
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Right, no, but that's why it's such a great story. And it goes to sort of just like the world we live in right now, where it's like everything you see on social media is actually not what's going on in a person's actual life. You know that story about the- the Hamptons like mom fluencer whose husband committed suicide. So she was all, she had this like account. She was like an influencer.
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She was like bragging about her Hamptons lifestyle funded by her husband who was like a multimillionaire. Turns out this guy was pulling a similar shell game, uh, like in the weeks before his death, was like begging people for money to like plug holes. And they were finally like, we can't. You're untrustworthy. He killed himself in the garage. Turns out he left them penniless.
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Like she had like $8,000 in the account. Like it's this kind of thing. It's like this... the disconnect between what people present themselves to be and what they actually are. And it's endlessly fascinating, really.
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I find this fascinating. I have been theorizing for months that something is up in this marriage because she was traveling alone over the summer. Not alone. She was traveling with billionaires, which is how they roll now. But he was nowhere to be found, you know? And... I don't know. They always sort of sold this great love story.
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And the way she's talking about him on the Jennifer Hudson show, it was kind of like a distant family member. Pretty lackluster. He's working a lot. And then he's working a lot. And also he happens to be working a lot.
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Yeah, right. Like I bagged a big one, I guess. I don't know. And she's so... You know, the whole sort of, like, this self-help empire she's built for herself, you know, with her books and her, like, journals and everything. It's just, it all feels very... grubby to me. And for her, you know, this country made her a very wealthy woman.
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This country made her a very wealthy woman, a very privileged woman. And she can't get out of bed to, I mean, these people fly private. You're not taking more than a day to go to Jimmy Carter's funeral. She had a scheduling conflict, Maureen. Listen, if that scheduling conflict had any import, that conflict would have been detailed. She had a scheduling conflict where,
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helping with whatever, whatever, whatever. She's, you know, whatever.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They will wheel the machine to you. Yes. Okay. So, and I also think that now that these rumors have been sort of circulating and there's been speculation in the media about what is going on, there hasn't been a denial. Hmm. Wouldn't you issue a denial if you're a prominent, mega powerful couple like that? Your brand is so intertwined.
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But if you did not like that, that there's marital trouble or that he's having an affair with Jennifer Aniston, which is just crazy. That would be amazing. That would be, I mean, like, who would you pick for Barack? Like for wife number two? I mean, I would pick a man. Ah! That's my favorite thing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I remember when there was this like doorstopper biography of Barack Obama that came out several years ago. Right. And the New York Times reviewed it and basically said nothing to see here. And then I read somewhere else. The big takeaway was Barack crushing hard on like his male college professor.
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Yeah. And was like, could I live as a gay man? Cause I really dig this guy. Like there's nothing to see here.
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This lawsuit is incredible. It has it all. I can't believe neither side is, like, giving in. They're, like, digging in further. It feels like a very twisted rom-com to me. Like, the hatred on both sides is so intense, it makes you wonder if there was, like, a deep attraction that whether it was consummated or not... Very interesting. Like, if somebody sort of...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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really is doing something that's like aggravating or trying to get in your way professionally, whatever. If you don't really care about them, you just try to get around them. Yes. You don't try to go through them or like work it out with them. You have your assistant or your agent deal with it if you're in Hollywood. Yeah, you just, whatever. But like these two are like in it. They are in it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it's like, I think it's extremely strange. I want to know more about the presence of Taylor Swift, who sort of leads this like mean girl clique. There was a thing happening over the summer that the Daily Mail reported on where there were other female artists such as Billie Eilish who were releasing albums in the, in the sort of tailwinds of her last release. I forget what it was called.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I'm just so oversaturated with Taylor Swift. But anyway, she was manipulating all of her new releases to keep these women from hitting number one. It was just a ploy to keep them from, and Billie Eilish's people were like, that's what's happening. That's what's happening.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it's, it's really shitty for someone who claims to be a champion of fellow women and female artists to be doing like, let someone else have it. Like let someone, you know, No. So this is who she runs with. And that tells me everything. And like, I just to sit there and have your husband bully your director. Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, like if you don't, if you don't like this, have the balls to do it yourself. Right. Like don't have your husband throw his weight around with your husband.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And in your penthouse, like on your home turf, like using your wealth as leverage. Right. Like showing off. And your friend Taylor. And your friend Taylor, who's like, what is she doing there? Is she just like scrolling Instagram? One of my dragons. Like that is just wild.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think, you know, he'll learn a lot from this, you know, and hopefully, you know, and it's wonderful that we're in this era we're in right now where like people don't automatically take the woman's. account of what happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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My favorite part of what I've read of this suit so far is that Blake Lively did not even read the book that the movie was based on. Correct. And we're not talking War and Peace. This is a book that's probably written at a second-grade reading level.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And then she wanted to... She, like... ixnayed all of the wardrobe choices. Because when you're making a movie about a poor woman who's suffering from domestic violence, you want her to look like she has money. Right. That Blake said. That's what she did. She looks like she has money and she's dressing in florals and then she's going on this press tour
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pushing her liquor line and her hair care line because that's what women who are trying to escape with their lives are worried about.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And just establish a little rapport, just a little friendly rapport. Like, is that too much to do? Like, this is part of why you're getting paid millions and millions of dollars. The press tour is part of that pay package. Right. You have to show up with a smile on your face and be polite to people who are not lobbying, you know, difficult questions at you.
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Like that is weird.
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Because he had to lift her in a scene.
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This is also because like they have all the power. This guy, it was his first movie. He was on like one show before this. He bought the rights to this mega selling book and has, I believe, the rights to the sequel. And I think that's something else they're fighting over. Yes. Because the studio definitely wants a sequel because this movie did really well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So, I mean, first, we're going to get the reality version of this playing out. And I can't wait. I can't wait for the suit into oblivion. You're definitely not going to see the two of them starring in a sequel.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The most surprising thing in that account to me is the detail that Schumer was driven and did not fly private like so many of our politicians do. I would suspect that that conversation was even more pointed. That to me feels like a very polite version because it's easy to forget. It wasn't all that long ago. how stubbornly Biden was hanging on.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I really believe that whether it was Schumer, Pelosi, the both of them basically said, we're going to bury you. Yes. We know where the bodies are buried. Like it's going to get very ugly if you don't voluntarily bury Pull the plug. You have until date certain to do so. That's what I think went down. Like, I'm dying to read the really bloody, savage Roman Empire version of this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Agreed, agreed. And also, so two things. One, I want the Jill Biden story. I want the full unabridged Kitty Kelly National Enquirer version of all the machinations going on. I want to know... Why we are now being subject by this very same media that claims to have learned its lesson to the longest goodbye in modern American history to one of the worst presidents.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like this feels like the breakup that will not end. Like America broke up with him after that debate. And then we made it really final after the election, which really was like Biden 2.0 with Harris. Like I forgot it was Harris actually, because I keep thinking like we left you. We don't want to litigate this relationship anymore.
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The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner
He says to her, it's not fun to work with people that aren't fun, like him, I guess. He also says that he's a firm subscriber to the no assholes policy, because if you're on that list of being an asshole, you're not getting calls. Not for nothing, but Tina Fey,
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admitted in her book bossy pants and she's spoken about this in interviews you can google them you'll find them that she was a mean girl in high school this is another topic we're gonna get to later in the show mean girls and i always wondered about people like her like Kirsten Wiig, who sort of like helped Jon Hamm enter that SNL little clique, that comedy world.
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And my theory about them is that they were never the homecoming queens. They were the comedy nerd girls who kind of didn't fit in. And a guy like Jon Hamm comes along and pays them some attention. and their knees buckle. They can't believe it. They can't believe a guy this hot would look twice at them. And so they're doing dirty work for him, in my opinion.
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You can't tell me they don't know about this. If I know about it, they have to know about it. And now we all know about it. There's another thing I want to And this goes to who in Hollywood is a protected class? Who in Hollywood will be kick summarily kicked out and never hired again? And who is just sort of considered like kind of a bad boy?
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This is also the New York Times Magazine very recently. Bill Murray, who's out promoting a movie with Naomi Watts called The Friend. It's based on an incredible book by an author named Sigrid Nunez. If you've never heard of it, I suggest you look into it. It's basically a semi-autobiographical novel. A friend of hers died and left her his dog.
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And it's this very unusual, non-cliched, non-sentimental, really beautiful love story. And so Bill Murray was promoting this movie with Naomi Watts on Watch What Happens Live like a week or so ago. I watched it in real time. My jaw hit the floor. Look at this.
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so i watched that broadcast of watch what happens live in real time and i am convinced that bravo and nbc universal went in and cleaned that clip up because i distinctly recall a wide shot in which i saw bill murray take an unwitting, unsuspecting Naomi Watts.
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He put one hand on top of her head, he put the other hand under her jaw and he kept her head immobile and he dragged her over to him and planted a kiss square on her mouth and it was lengthy. It lasted for quite a bit. And what did Andy Cohen do? He sat there and he laughed. He laughed, he thought it was funny. And when Bill Murray finally released Naomi Watts,
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I'm completely mortified. Anyway, I have since gotten it together. I can assure you. And I think we should just get into it. So the first person I would like to take aim at in our very first show is one Jon Hamm. And this segment, I promise you, you're never going to forget what you hear.
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she you could tell she was kind of in shock and you know she's got to play the game right bill murray looks straight at the camera and gives it a thumbs up A thumbs up. This New York Times Magazine piece, by the way, I mean, where did I mark it? He talks about basically like kind of being an asshole, you know? And like he's had assault accusations leveled at him before.
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He's not a guy you want to get angry. So, but he gets away with this. Like everybody gives him, why? Because like Bill Murray's cool? Because he's funny? Because he's kind of like irascible? He gets a pass for this? If I'm Naomi Watts, I would never work with him again. And I would maybe consider pressing charges. I don't know.
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But I want to circle back one more time to Jon Hamm because there's something else about him that I find particularly despicable. And there's a kind of guy who does this and gets off on it. He was with his girlfriend, Jennifer Westfeld, for about 18 years. And when they got together, he was the struggling one and she was the one who had a little bit more success.
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She's a screenwriter, an actress, a director. She would put him in her movies. She made a semi-autobiographical movie called, I think it's called Friends with Kids. And it was sort of informed by her life with Jon Hamm, who would give all these interviews talking about how he wasn't like a marriage guy. He didn't want to have kids. He had a lot of trauma in his past.
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And what does he do when Mad Men comes to an end? he dumps Jennifer Westfeld. I mean, they said it was mutual, but I think we can all fairly read the tea leaves on that one. He gets with a minor actress on Mad Men, practically an extra, right? So someone whose talent level is never going to eclipse his. She's half his age.
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He marries her and he starts giving interviews about how he thinks he wants children now, which I'm sure Jennifer Westfeld is so happy she sacrificed so much of her own dreams and life ambitions for that piece of shit. And finally, in fairness to Jon Hamm, which I think is more than he deserves, he did address these
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accusations this reporting of the fraternity hazing that nearly killed a kid a kid by the way who went on to become a doctor and a lawyer okay and he specializes in what do you think medical malpractice okay that guy is a true contributing member of society what did john ham become a celebrity are you kidding me john ham told esquire in i think 2015
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of the allegations quote i wouldn't say it's accurate everything about that is sensationalized not a denial i was accused of these things i don't ellipses it's so hard to get into i don't want to give it any more breath not a denial it was a bummer of a thing that happened break that apart a bummer a bummer is like you go to the surf shop and they're out of your favorite like you know
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oil or whatever this is not a bummer this is not a summer bummer this is a vicious assault on a defenseless kid you bullied bullied and bullied him because he wanted to be cool like you a bummer of a thing that happened it didn't happen john you did it
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The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner
you assaulted somebody i was caught up he continues i was caught up poor me i i i me me me i was caught up in a big situation a stupid kid in a stupid situation a bummer i moved on from it well i don't think that mark allen sanders will probably ever move on from it from the trauma from whatever lasting medical damage that you inflicted on him this guy is lucky he escaped with his life and john ham gets to go sit on jimmy fallon
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He is everywhere right now because he's got a show on Apple called Your Friends and Neighbors and it's number one. I don't know if it's like number one all over or if it's just number one in drama, but it's doing really well. It's already been renewed and he just did SNL to promote it. Let's take a little bit of a look at that.
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and laugh it up about what a cool guy he is. Fuck that guy. OK, segment one, we're done. And we're going to move on in the next segment to a really deep dive on mean girls in adulthood. Let me tell you a story about a guy named Leo Grillo. While on a road trip, Leo came across a Doberman. This dog was severely underweight and clearly in trouble. Leo rescued that Doberman and named him Delta.
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Check out the estate planning tab on their website to learn more and speak with an advisor. We call dogs man's best friend and woman's best friend for a reason. You can help those who need it most. So please visit DeltaRescue.org today to learn more. That's DeltaRescue.org. Welcome back to The Nerve. So let's talk about mean girls. Mean girls in adulthood.
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which i find endlessly fascinating and has been sort of in the culture very recently um there are a couple of main examples that occur to me and i'll bet to you guys too um the first is a story that has had real legs and because it's a mean girls friendship thing and a real friendship breakup i think that this is why people are still talking about it it is the epic
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Final episode of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion, which saw Garcelle Beauvoir, who is a fan favorite and in my estimation, one of the greatest ever to do it. sitting on the couch next to her actual friend on and off the show, Sutton Strach. And she is betrayed in real time by Sutton, who is so desperate for these terrible viperish women to like her.
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and accept her into their clique, that you watch her turn on Garcelle and you watch Garcelle's expression register this in real time, how she is being iced out of the show and out of the friend group.
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So that's exhibit A of what mean girls
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do in the sort of stages of ejection the minute garcelle said nobody's even smiled at me all day the concerned faces come right up um really oh you mean all of you who have been icing this woman out are now suddenly concerned and saddened by this expression of feeling just cut out completely i'm shocked okay here's stage two i was smiling when i first got here
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And that's how you can tell that her emotion is genuine because you see her mouth begin to collapse, which is sort of the first stage when you're about to lose control and begin openly crying and you don't want to cry. So you're really trying to fight it. And you know, Andy Cohen, of course, leaning in and saying, well, it's not okay.
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Well, the whole entire point of you being there is to behave like this. led by the ringleader, Andy Cohen himself, who, trust me, does not like women. I love your channel. I watch it all the time. He does not like women. Third and final stage of mean girl expulsion is here.
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What's unfair, though? Okay, so now they're all convening and saying they don't understand why this woman is so upset. And that last statement by Sutton Strack, the blonde woman in the ball gown, who said, She knows Garcelle better than anybody on that cast. She just wants to be one of them so badly. And trust me, next season, if she comes back, she will be eaten alive and she deserves it.
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So joining me now is Dr. Erin Foster, who is an expert in this kind of aggression. Thank you, Dr. Erin Foster, for joining us. Thank you, Maureen.
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Okay, number one, he was looking at his own Wikipedia, which I would bet there's a big part of that Wikipedia that he would love to have just deleted. But he doesn't mention that. Instead, he's congratulating himself on being so freaking awesome. He's Jon Hamm and you're not. Are you as impressed with Jon Hamm as Jon Hamm is? I don't know that you could be.
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So I've been thinking about this a lot because, you know, there was what we just saw, this most recent season of The White Lotus, expertly depicted among a group of three lifelong friends, middle-aged, successful, beautiful, accomplished, fit, wealthy, all of it. tearing each other down in the subtlest ways possible, but they were pointed and mean.
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And then of course, you know, I have a goddaughter who's 11 who's going through this. I talk to her about the psychodynamics of sixth grade all the time. And the one thing I never say to her is it gets better, because it doesn't. If anything, it just gets worse and more subtle. So tell me why this persists in adulthood.
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The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner
Exactly. And I completely understand that psychology. But, you know, I think one of the things I struggle with is just because somebody is struggling with their own insecurities, their own childhood trauma, it does not give you license to behave like an asshole.
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Take a look at him on his good friend Jimmy Fallon's show last week.
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The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner
So in the days leading up to our conversation, I've really been giving this so much thought. I read the sort of Rosetta Stone of books on this topic, which is Queen Bees and Wannabes. by Rosalind Wiseman, and that was actually Tina Fey's basis for the movie Mean Girls. Are you sensing a thread here, guys?
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And the one thing that book did not answer was the question that I really have, which is, where is this rooted in? You know, it has to be more macro than any one specific childhood trauma or attachment issues or fear of not having power control, wanting to be liked, wanting to be Queen Bee. And I really think
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Hello and welcome. Welcome to The Nerve. I'm Maureen Callahan. I'm your host. It's episode one. So I want to tell you a little bit about what to expect. This is a non-safe space. This is a space where we are going to talk about all of the things in pop culture, celebrity scandal, crime.
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And I'm curious as to your thoughts, it must be rooted in evolution when there was a time when women had to compete with each other for very limited resources and those resources being men who could hunt, kill, father, provide, protect. But we are long past that now. And in fact, we are in an era where it's made even worse because of social media. That's right.
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Yeah, which my favorite aggression on social media is the post of everyone's hanging out without you. Everyone and your friend. And I've heard this story so many times, all generations of women. So again, talk to me about why this persists when honestly, we all know better.
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I think all of us have been wrong about Jon Hamm for a very long time. You know, when he first burst on the scene with Mad Men, I mean, everyone, myself included, had a huge crush on this guy. And he sort of really kind of came in and was like a throwback to a very old school kind of masculinity. And even today, he still kind of has it.
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Or is it just that your kink is being mean to people that you – feel have something you don't and you can't take it out on yourself or you'd rather not, so you're gonna take it out on that person. I wanna share with you a personal anecdote from my adulthood, which again, this is why I never tell my goddaughter it's gonna get better. So this was around the height of COVID.
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the height of lockdown and everybody sort of had their pods because you had to have some sort of social connection to get through it intact and i had a neighbor invite me to a little outdoor dinner that she was going to host and i really wasn't comfortable with it and i said i'll think about it i don't really know i was the next day i went to go pick up my phone to text my regrets
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And she texted me and said, you know, one of my friends, she blamed it on one of her friends. She's not comfortable with too big of a group. So you're not invited anymore. You're disinvited. I had never gotten a message like that in my entire life. It was literally like, just to be clear, don't come. And I was surprised how much it made me upset.
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Like I almost like I could feel tears like springing up. And it's not because I particularly liked this person. It was kind of a friendship of convenience, but it was more that somebody could be so cruel at the height of a freaking pandemic. Then the next day she finds me on this little road we live on. She's chasing me. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
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You know, that was so-and-so's fault. She was the one who said you couldn't come. I said, oh, you mean your friend who went to a party out in East Hampton where people with COVID knowingly showed up and she's worried about like infection? I said, did she get her COVID test before she came to your house? Oh, no.
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You know, and in that moment, I was like, this is just too limited and sad of a person for me to even really give a shit about. But the act of being so deliberately cruel was,
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was the thing that transcended everything for me and i couldn't believe it a middle-aged woman behaving like this um so that's just a little bit of bruising from my own personal experience but what's like the worst you've heard or has happened to you in terms of um female aggression in adulthood oh wow female aggression in adulthood first you know
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books fashion music you name it we're covering it um we're gonna kick off today with an incredible little reported story involving an a-list star who you will never look at the same way again i to my mind think this guy is worse than harvey weinstein and that says a lot because i think harvey weinstein's a pretty bad guy um and i also just wanted to take a moment to thank everybody who sent me messages
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You know, he's really in stark contrast to like the Timothée Chalamet's and those like fey, twee little guys who don't quite read as, I think, traditionally masculine, fair, whatever. But I would also like to say this before we get into the scandal that he has successfully ridden out and hidden lo these many years.
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Well, thank you for those kind words. Trust me, I survived intact, and that person did me a huge favor. But when do you know, Dr. Aaron, when it's time to try to have a conversation with a friend who you feel has really done something hurtful and it feels deliberate, it feels like a little bit of a shiv?
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And how do you know when it's time to just remove oneself from either that friendship or that specific friend group?
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You know, I feel like it's so easy to say that. I think, you know, when most women are confronted with a decision like that, you know, you really have to parse it out in your, first of all, I think you have to just calm down and get to the point where the emotions have subsided and you can begin to think a little bit logically.
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Like you said, evaluate the length of the friendship, the depth of the friendship, you know, the importance of it. Because I do think, and I think a lot of women feel this way. I certainly do. A friendship breakup, a best friendship breakup, can be as devastating, if not more so, than the breakup of a romantic relationship. Can you talk to that?
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Having just acted myself in a short little film called With Love, Meghan, that's Meghan with a Y, in which Megyn Kelly portrayed a Meghan Markle adjacent character. in which I portrayed a Mindy Kaling adjacent character, one who displayed really just fear and servility and felt like a hostage throughout the whole thing. You know, we've gotten some really nice notices.
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Before I let you go, I want to ask you, what would you advise? You know, it's one thing for women to sort of hash this out. And, you know, we have we've been through adolescence. Our brains are fully formed now.
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what would you advise you tell a child in your life, be it your daughter, a niece, a godchild, who is dealing with this stuff day in and day out at school, where the alliances shift by the minute? What would you say to a kid who is struggling with this stuff?
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Absolutely. And those are the conversations that I have with my goddaughter, you know, what's going on at that kid's home. It's always something not great, you know, but that said, it doesn't really do anything to lessen the emotional impact of like being the kid who's left out. And this is a kid who, by the way, has everything going for her.
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She's not what you would consider somebody who would be an easy target. She's not a soft target. And it doesn't really do anything still to ameliorate the actual physical, emotional just hurt of being the one who's left out of the party, who's off the invite list, who somebody moves away from at the lunch table. Like what would you tell a kid in those moments?
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Like here's your best coping mechanism. Here's what you do at the lunch table when someone moves away, for example.
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So revenge isn't on your list.
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Let the punishment fit the crime. Interesting. I like it. I like it. It's got some teeth. Because a bully responds to strength. Exactly. Exactly right. Exactly right. I couldn't agree with you more. Yes. Well, Dr. Aaron, thank you so much for coming on and talking about this. I think this is a conversation that will be ongoing. Everyone email me at Maureen at Devil May Care Media.
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Tell me what you think. Tell me your experiences. Tell me what more you'd like to hear on this and other topics. I will be reading all of them very eagerly and avidly. Thanks again to Dr. Aaron. And on the other side of this break, we are going to have, speaking of friends, one of my closest friends who I am so excited to bring on the nerve and introduce all of you to, Susanna Cahalan.
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We've heard the words Emmy and Oscar banded about. So I say that just to tell you that I think I now can legitimately criticize another actor's skill set. And I'm going to tell you that I think Jon Hamm is a very limited actor.
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So take the time to prioritize your sleep and prioritize you. Visit CozyEarth.com and start sleeping better with Cozy Earth today. That's CozyEarth.com. Welcome back to The Nerve. I couldn't have hoped for a better guest for my first episode than my wonderful, beautiful, dear friend, Susanna Cahalan. She is the author of the million plus bestselling memoir, Brain on Fire.
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Not many writers can say they've sold over a million copies of, by the way, what was her first book, a memoir. It's been translated into like a bazillion languages. It has changed the face of modern medicine and the way women and girls are treated because of Susanna's case. And she's got a fascinating new book out, which we're gonna all talk about.
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On the off chance that you don't know Susanna's story, Charlize Theron made a movie out of it. And we're going to take a look at a little bit of the trailer and it's going to set you up and you're going to fall in love with Susanna as much as everyone who knows her does.
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he only ever displays barely concealed rage okay he's got one speed that is it mad men rage bridesmaids he's a douche the town he's playing an fbi agent he's the good guy he still manages to make that guy a douche now he's in the show called your friends and neighbors in which he's also playing yet again a douche and In the first episode, this shocks me. I think he's played for laughs.
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No, no, God, no.
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So I rewatched that this morning and Susanna, like, I got emotional. I still get very emotional about your, and I know like you have moved on. You have a beautiful family. You married Steven. One of the most Googled questions about you. Did Susanna marry Steven? Who is such a good sport about that movie. I remember watching it when you got the link to the rough cut and poor Steven sat there.
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There was a scene where he's playing guitar to you naked. That never happened. And he's like, that never happened.
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He's such a good sport. And now you guys have three beautiful children and your book has truly, I mean, you have given talks about this all over the world. It really has changed modern medicine and the ways in which I think doctors and physicians now look at girls and women who come in because you, had a very rare autoimmune disease.
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You were only the 217th person in the world to be diagnosed with it. You were on the verge of being sent off to a psychiatric institution to live out what would have been the rest of your days. Talk about how you think this book in particular in your story, the woman who presents as quote unquote hysterical can no longer be minimized that way.
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Oh, 100% to your book. And, you know, it's not as though a misdiagnosis of autoimmune encephalitis is no big deal. Like, it can kill you. Yeah. It can rob you even if they didn't, if they hadn't caught yours in time, if Dr. Najjar, who has become world famous because of Brain on Fire, hadn't caught yours, you could have been left with severe deficits.
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I didn't find it very funny. He assaults his daughter's boyfriend. Watch.
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And that women would be either, you know, you're a witch, you're burned at the stake, you know, like all of these things. The book is also, so my origin story with you and our friendship, I didn't know you before you were sick. I didn't know you when you were sick. I knew you after you got better. You came back. We were both working at the New York Post.
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You wound up sitting at the desk next to me. Yes. And I knew you when you were writing the book, but I didn't know the Susanna before.
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susanna i know is you know you're one of if i have a real dilemma you're one of the first people i go to because you're very wise you're very smart you're very sensitive you also i think and i really want to get into this with you because it leads into the acid queen i feel like you are i asked you this once you're a rationalist you are but you also have a deep connection to
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like the spirit world to what I think are other dimensions, really. You have a real openness to it. And I wonder, do you think had you not, quote unquote, lost your mind, like it wasn't there for a month, that you would have emerged with this kind of openness to things that are unexplained?
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And then, the ham character makes good on his promise. I knew you were going to be here.
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I remember, so you were one of my first calls after I had what I can only describe as, I couldn't call it that at the time. I have come to think of it, well, I'll just set it up. I called you about, I think it was the day after my dad died.
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what did you do oh my god i told you to stop calling me so he punches this 20 year old kid in the genitals and then in the following episode he runs into this kid again and instead of saying thanks for not pressing charges thanks for not suing me civilly this is what he says well i hope there's no lasting damage and more importantly i hope there's no hard feelings okay let's talk about lasting damage
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and uh you know i had been very very close to him but the last year of his life he was particularly difficult and we did not have the greatest connection uh and um i was staying at my childhood home with my dog and um in the middle of the night i jackknifed out of bed when i heard like a boom, like it was a boom. It was the front door of the house had been kicked in.
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It had hit the wall so violently. And I said to myself, there are two men in this house and I might die tonight. And I just hope it's fast. And I sat there and I did the thing that people do in horror movies that you think you would never do, right? I'm like, do I call 911? They're going to think I'm stupid if I'm like overreacting. Like, do I go downstairs? I went to the top of the staircase.
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I looked down there. The door was closed. I went downstairs. Nobody was in the house. I went back upstairs. The dog was asleep. My dog, by the way, my guard dog, he alerts like 10 minutes before someone shows up. That's Teddy Van Halen, okay? Named after Eddie Van Halen, the rock god. He shares coloring and some wild man tendencies. Oh, 100%. But this dog, he is so on alert.
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I think he's like the dog on the Bin Laden raid. Like, don't come unannounced to the house. So anyway, I go back upstairs and I surprise the shit out of myself by saying this thing out loud. You can go over to the other side. You should go all the way over to the other side. It's okay. We are all going to be okay.
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And I called you and I told you this and I said, I think it was probably an auditory hallucination of some. And you said, Maureen, no, like I know you have your beliefs, but you need to be open to this. Maybe being your dad, like making a sound on his way out the door.
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Oh my God, right? Oh my God. So I got back after like a week away after we buried him, which by the way, we buried him in a military veteran's cemetery that's not very far from where I live. And my dad was like a lifelong drinker of Budweiser in a can. And I got back to my house and there was a crushed can of Budweiser
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in my otherwise well manicured front yard like there was like there was no construction going on i don't drink beer that much like there was no way i don't have it in my house and i i took a picture and i did send it to you because i was like this is this is wild and we've had some other winks and nods um but you have um also helped humble me and open me up to the idea that um guess what i don't know everything i think that's the thing i think it's the humility part right not knowing
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you know being open to it yes and this so this brings us to your new book the acid queen which i'm going to hold up right here this book is incredible it is the true story of a woman named rosemary woodruff leary she was married to timothy leary who was like the guru of the counterculture in the 60s she was beautiful vibrant smart and she really ran the show otherwise forgotten to history until you found her susannah
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The people who make cameos in this book include John Lennon, Yoko Ono, the Black Panthers. There's a jailbreak that Rosemary masterminds. Uma Thurman's mother, Winona Ryder. I could go on. Talk to me about Rosemary and her connection to other worlds and other dimensions.
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And what really roots this book is this enormous love story between her and Timothy Leary, who was one of the most famous men in America at the time, one of the most wanted by the feds. They wind up fleeing to Algeria at one point. It's like, it's wild, like romance. And it's also like a really bad romance.
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When Jon Hamm was a frat boy at the University of Texas at Austin, he was the alleged ringleader of a fraternity hazing so savage, he nearly killed a kid, okay? And we're gonna go through the victim interview that was conducted in the wake of this frat hazing The victim is named Mark, Mark Allen Sanders.
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Like I know you probably think she did get a lot out of that relationship and I think so too, but I think he was a bad guy. I'm harder than you are on Tim Leary. I don't like him, but Rosemary liked him and that's what's important.
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Yeah. I had the same thing with Jackie and Jack Kennedy. Like I had to see Jack through Jackie's eyes. It wouldn't work if not. It doesn't work if not. Like you kind of have to figure out a way to fall in love with them. Yes.
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But when I was going back through your book the other night, I had forgotten this and I probably trauma blocked it out of my mind because he did something to her that was such a betrayal. He used love letters to try to convince her to take the rap for him. Talk about that.
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It was such an ultimate betrayal. And you guys, The Acid Queen is out today. Please go and buy it. Order Susanna's book and read it and enjoy it as much as I did. You have never read a story like this, and we need more writers in the world like Susanna. So support her and buy her book. Now, Rosemary, this story takes yet another incredible turn.
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She decides to go underground, which I don't even know if in today's social media world people even have a concept of what that is to do. I mean, you basically
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just vacate yourself and you vacate your life and you vacate planet Earth and you're nowhere to be found and you're living under an alias and you live in fear that anybody might figure out who you are and turn you in and your life will be over. I mean, talk a little bit about how long Rosemary stayed underground and the toll that that took on her.
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And I think to the loneliness, and I think that's why this story is so resonant and poignant and moving and also just unbelievable. Again, you've got to get the book, The Ass of Queen. It's out today. But I think all of us who are still kind of crawling out of the trauma that was COVID lockdown have a real true understanding of the toll that isolation is.
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from other human beings, from being seen by other human beings, what that really does to you.
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And, you know, by the way, that was not the end of the love story between Timothy Leary and Rosemary Leary. You would think that betrayal would have done it, but it's not. And you should get the book and find out exactly what happened and how. Susanna, I love you so much. Thank you so much for coming on my first show.
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I'm so excited for you and your new book. And I can't again, the acid queen, go get it. Um, thanks Susanna. And thanks to all of you guys for listening. We will be back on Friday with episode two. We are just getting started. We will see you next time on the nerve where you will never guess what we're about to say next.
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And he begins by telling the investigators that he arrived to this frat hazing and one John Han, his name is misspelled in this transcript, which I have every reason to believe is real. Here is the top sheet of this private investigation. So his name in the transcript is spelled with an H instead of just J-O-N. Jon Hamm tells him to settle in because it is going to be a very long night.
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The first challenge that this pledge was supposed to complete was to know all of what Jon Hamm called his bullshit. And the bullshit included his nicknames. one of which was MC Hammer. And because this kid, Mark, could not come up with the proper nicknames, he said, he gets mad, meaning Jon Hamm. And I mean, really mad. And he grabs us both.
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So now Jon Hamm has grabbed two pledges by either side, one arm here and one arm here. So think of the strength that that takes So he marches these two little pledges upstairs where they meet two other frat boys who have a paddle. And this isn't like a ping pong paddle. This is what the victim describes as a two-handed wooden paddle that was at least a foot long. So that's solid wood.
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over the past few days after hearing how nervous I was on Megyn Kelly's show last Friday. I saw them all, I read them. They really have helped me a lot. I was so preoccupied after leaving Megyn's studio and I've been doing her show in that studio for, I'm gonna say like a couple of years now.
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They begin to beat Mark Sanders. He says very hard rearing back. These aren't love taps. He's hitting me left-handed. I'm on my, so he's everywhere. He's on his right side. He's on his left side. Then at a, at a given point, John Hamm, again, according to this transcript takes the paddle and the victim describes John Hamm rearing back and he hits me right over my right kidney.
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I mean, square over it, good, solid hit. And that stood me up. So now this guy is like dying over where he's been hitting the kidney. He says, I'm hurting bad. I mean, being hit right where the kidney is, it's killing me. This was not the end for Mark. Next comes sawing in which two of the brothers allegedly pulled up his underwear from inside his pants, Mark's pants. This is what he said.
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The more they pulled, the way they were pulling was one would be pulling up. They were pulling like it was sawing and it was hurting and it hurt. He doesn't even know how long they continue doing that. Now we get to John Hamm, who is described as an officer of the fraternity. Mark says that Jon Hamm was quote with me all night, never left me.
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So then Jon Hamm and the group lead me downstairs to the quote unquote pit. And this is like a sort of dirty, super confined space. And Mark is ordered to get in the dirt, and begin forcibly doing pushups. Okay. His, his kidney is so damaged. Like he can barely breathe. Now he's got to do pushups.
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Jon Hamm, according to this transcript and another frat boy quote, they were actually pushing my face to get in the dirt. He told me to get my face in the dirt. And then all the pledges are taken out of there, except me. I'm left in there with Jon Hamm with who I believe is a true sadist. Jon Hamm is gonna try to do cleanup on aisle nine. Trust me, you're not gonna like it.
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So this pledge, Mark, brutally beaten, is trying to get up and walk out with the other pledges, just get out of that pit. And Jon Hamm says to him, stay where you are. You're not going anywhere. It's not over yet for you. Next up, If you've ever heard of somebody doing this, I would like to meet you because I've never heard of anything this savage. So now Mark is with Jon Hamm. Okay.
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So I know how to get from point A to point B. And I was walking out of the studio, back to the car, the lovely driver who was taking me home I had my head down. I was so consumed with my own nerves and preoccupations. I walked straight into a branch, a knotty, thick tree branch. I get to the car door. This driver's like, you're bleeding. I'm like, are you serious? I pull out my compact.
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He's hearing other guys that are around me because they are so close, but he's really disoriented clearly at this point, Mark is. Somebody's walking on his back, okay? Forcible pushups, face in the dirt, walking on his back.
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then this is where we pick up quote i'm told to stand up so i get up on my knees again obviously he can't even stand up and this is when john ham pulls out a lighter and he puts his lighter on and i was wearing designer jeans name redacted and i have this loop on the front and he took the lighter and caught that on fire question this was john ham Mark, yeah, and my head is down.
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I mean, my chin is in the chest at this point. I see him light the lighter and put it to my pants. Did he say anything when he did that? Question. Mark. Yeah. He said something. I don't remember what it was. I tried to put out the fire immediately. Question. With your hand. Mark. Yeah. With my hand. But he knocked my hands away. Question. John Hamm knocked your hands. Mark. Yes.
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John Hamm knocked my hand away. And I was kind of panicking because I was wearing a cotton t-shirt. He could feel the heat. I actually tried to put it out with my hand. This is Mark again. And he, Jon Hamm, wouldn't let me. He made me blow it out with my mouth. So the fire is put out, but Jon Hamm's not done. Now he's picked up a hammer.
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And I'll say it's Jon Hamm, Mark says, because he was the one wearing a dark overcoat and I could see in the arm, the hammer and this dark overcoat. So Jon Hamm takes that hammer claw, hooks it under Mark Sanders genitals and drags him around the room for about a solid minute. Let's talk about lasting damage because this guy barely escaped with his life.
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He tells the investigators when he sits down with them weeks later that he's been to the doctor. He has a broken back. His spine is fractured. His doctor has told him he may lose his right kidney. He has extreme trauma. My kidney spasms and it re bruises itself. This is Mark. And he told me it was from being hit right over it, the kidney.
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can remember feeling being hit hard right over this oh he was also beaten with a broomstick i forgot that part right over my rib cage whenever i breathe my lung actually can't go all the way because it's pinned between my ribcage from i assume it was beaten down some beaten into me He's got ligament damage, cartilage damage, artery, vein, nerve damage. His rib cage is bruised severely.
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If you've ever had rib cage pain, if you've ever broken a rib or had surgery, you know what that's like. He's worried that he's going to lose his kidney. The whole right side of my body, Mark tells them, is swollen severely. He has tried to give me medication to stop the swelling on my back, but it doesn't work. It doesn't help. Another pledge who survived that night said in his statement,
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that he was so scared, even though he lives three hours away, that he was so scared to return to Austin because, quote, he doesn't know to what extent they, Jon Hamm and his frat brothers, will go to get even for reporting this crime. Now, if I remember this correctly, because I remember reading about it when it first came out, and nobody really covered it.
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It didn't really get picked up, and I could never understand why. People have been canceled for a lot less. I mean, Kevin Spacey right now is selling off every piece of real estate he's ever purchased during his long and storied career. As far as I know, he has never been convicted of rape. He has never been criminally convicted in a court of law in America.
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I think he got convicted of something in the UK. But, you know, really, he was kind of a pig and he was gross and he was handsy. He didn't do anything approaching this, as far as I know. Kevin Spacey can't get hired. Alec Baldwin is making a movie in Italy right now, okay? He just finished a reality show that was an attempt to clean up his image.
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I'm like, my entire upper face is just bleeding. I can't even see the source of the bleed. You know, like your head, you get the tiniest laceration and it's just like a geyser is gushing. Like I get in the back of the car. I'm like, sir, I'm so sorry. I'm not going to get blood anywhere, but I am bleeding out. He says, do you want to go back? And I was like, absolutely not.
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He shot and killed a woman on a set that he ran that saw the bulk of the crew members walk out the day of the shooting over firearm safety concerns. But because Jon Hamm looks like this, By the way, this is the new interview magazine. He's interviewed by his good friend, Tina Fey, in which they just tongue bathe each other.
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Listen to the banality, the platitudes she's positing in this book that, by the way, she's charging $29.99 for a hardcover. And she's on tour right now, by the way. She's hitting New York City in a few weeks. I might go. The lowest ticket, $500. Biggest ticket, $1,500. If I'm paying $1,500 to see somebody speak, it better be Jesus Christ himself coming down from heaven. Okay. Here we go.
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Mel Robbins, the wit and wisdom. The fact is, every human being is dealt a different hand in life. You don't say. Secondly, it's not about the hand you've been dealt. It's how you play it. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Here she goes. It's true. A lot of people have been dealt a quote luckier or quote more successful hand of cards. Let them.
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You will never be able to move forward in life, she says, I'm paraphrasing here now, I'm quoting, if you give all of your power to this stupid and toxic habit of comparing yourself to other people. Stop it. Now, after we finish this part of the book by saying some people are just really lucky, again, are you kidding me? Why am I spending money? Why am I spending my time reading this book?
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I have to say... When you see somebody who has something you want, it could be a material thing. It could be a quality they have. It could be sort of a ineffable thing they've got. The way I tend to look at stuff like that is that's alerting me that there is something I maybe would like to have or develop that I hadn't been in tune with before.
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And that's a nice little nudge to see what I can do to make my life a little bit happier. That is a much more healthy way, I think, to frame it.
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Now, before we move on, I just have to say, this woman who also had a very, she had a failed talk show in 2019, and you don't really see this in her algorithm or her Instagram, which by the way, she prefers to show us photos of, and I weep for humanity, truly, These are images of women who have tattooed Let Them on their bodies because I guess it's too difficult to remember.
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It's the equivalent of like somebody who has a tattoo that says breathe. It's an involuntary reaction. It keeps you going. You don't have to think about it. Why do you have to tattoo it on your body? So anyway, she had this failed talk show. We never really talk about the show.
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And in it, it was in 2019, and she again posited herself as somebody who was going to be America's shrink and help us with, you know, anyone who couldn't afford, let's say, a shrink. She was gonna be your therapist on television. Now, I'm just gonna read you some sample talk show titles. Men Being Catfished, The Mel Robbins Show. I Killed My Ex in Self-Defense, The Mel Robbins Show.
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Confronting the Father I Never Knew I Had. Okay, this is Jerry Springer. This is not high-end self-help. So I'm circling back now to Sawyer, the daughter, who worked on this book. You know,
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Uh, so if you haven't had an introduction to her, oh, by the way, before we even get into that, I have an update for you from the last show. And it is a Jon Hamm update because apparently he did not love what we had to say about him. Surprise, surprise.
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Mel expresses a lot of anger towards Sawyer, and she kind of I think my interpretation is she knifes her a little bit in this book, and I don't quite understand why, but I am loving the lack of self-awareness here on display. So she is talking about she talks about being horrible, a horrible person. She literally writes the words, I was a complete bitch. You know what happened?
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She had three couples in a friend group with her and her husband and the other three couples split off and formed their own friend group and expelled Mel and Chris. So I get, again, I think we're getting an indication that Mel can be kind of difficult interpersonally. And she starts talking about like, her kids in this book and in ways that I think like, did her kids like sign off on this?
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Were they okay? So Sawyer, again, Sawyer, I see you. I acknowledge you. And I think we're all with you. This is Mel. I have watched our oldest daughter, Sawyer, engage in this type of comparison and torture herself for years. She is hyper fixated on her younger sister, Kendall, who has a completely different body type, bone structure, metabolism, and athletic abilities.
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To top it off, Kendall was born with an amazing singing voice and perfect pitch. Sawyer cannot change this. Holy crap. Okay, we go on. I've watched with so much sadness in my heart, in my, I, me, my, we're gonna do a segment on difficult mothers, trust me. I've watched with so much sadness in my heart at how miserable Sawyer makes herself. Dear Lord, and I can't save her.
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What, the great Mel Robbins can't save her own daughter? I thought you had all the answers. What's going on over there in Casa Robbins? going on to quote I can't stop her from engaging in this kind of comparison and no amount of complimenting or reassurance is going to change her behavior she must choose to change this for herself oh my God I feel like she is very very
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antagonistic towards this daughter who must possess qualities that Mel just burns up with envy over. Here she acknowledges Sawyer in the back of the book. Sawyer, my brilliant daughter, co-conspirator, co-researcher, co-writer, and co-pilot. Again, name is not on the book. You swore you would never, in all caps, work for your mother, and here we are. Well. Here we all are.
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so in the wake of that segment the daily mail where i call them twice a week reached out to john ham and they called so a young reporter called john ham's cell phone directly now who among you answers an unidentified number on your cell phone Jon Hamm does, proving my point that I don't think he's very bright.
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And I think we can conclude safely that Mel Robbins really deserves none of your time, none of your money, and let her implement this theory in her own house, with her own family, where I truly do believe some stuff needs attending to. Love you, Sawyer. We'll be back with the deep dive on Josef. You know the secret to great days? Better nights. I sound like Meghan Markle doing that, don't I?
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Welcome back to The Nerve. Have you guys seen Lizzo recently? You know Lizzo who had been sued by like a bunch of her dancers? or terrible, what they say was abusive behavior and weight shaming, by the way, implied weight shaming. If you don't know about that, you might know Lizzo as the morbidly obese,
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hip hop star who loved telling America how much she loved being morbidly obese and how that was an actual healthy, viable lifestyle. And the rest of us could take our fat phobia and shove it. One of my favorite Instagram posts of recent memory is this post Lizzo threw up on her Instagram saying how much, again, she loved being fat. She loved it. Look at those roles.
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Look at the amount of weight she is. And this is somebody who performs for a living. Like when you're performing for two hours a night on a live stage, you have to have a ton of energy and athleticism and discipline. Can you like work on the treadmill? Can you like work out on the treadmill while singing and dancing? Like it's, you are an athlete.
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one would think anyway we heard a lot from lizzo about how much she loved being fat and now lizzo has suddenly dropped half her body weight it's gone and guess how she's telling us she did it Diet and exercise. And if you believe that, I know you don't believe that. I don't believe that. This reminded me of who I will call patient zero in this story. And I believe it's Star Jones who
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Audience members of a certain age will remember this. She was on The View. She was morbidly obese. She married a man of dubious heterosexuality. She used The View as a pump and dump to get sponsors for her wedding. This was an incredible era in The View. It really, really was. It was really fun to watch. Rosie O'Donnell, who we're going to be talking about later, was the lead host at the time.
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So Star Jones... takes an exit. She takes a bit of a sabbatical. She comes back like a month or two, half her body weight's gone. Half of her body weight is gone. So all of these bitches on The View are going to her, Star, how'd you really lose that weight? And Star's going, diet and exercise, diet and exercise. And the story was, because I went back and looked this up at the time,
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He picks up the phone and the Daily Mail reporter asks if he cares to comment on our explosive blow by blow, no pun intended, of his savage, what I believe to be a near fatal beating of a fraternity pledge when he was in college.
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star was dying because she was convinced that joy behar and rosie o'donnell were leaking to page six that she had gastric bypass surgery and i do believe at one point it was either rosie or joy i think it was rosie who said the this lie that star jones is peddling their words not mine uh
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That she lost weight this way is a bunch of horseshit, and it's a very dangerous, hypocritical message to be giving the women of America. Now, again, this is coming from people who work on The View, so, you know, pot kettle. But Starr did later admit. that she had been lying and that she did lose the weight through gastric bypass.
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And this is all to say that I think we've all seen many celebrities who we all suspect are taking the jab. They won't admit it or they lie about it like Oprah did. And then they admit that they did it. I mean, my own theory is about prominent people who are taking the jab. Michelle Obama, who has suddenly lost, again, half her body weight.
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Kelly Clarkson, I think has admitted it, but she had a stubborn problem for years and suddenly the pounds have fallen off. Meghan Markle. who looks like she has the metabolism of a 15-year-old suddenly after two kids and she's well into middle age. I suspect she might be on it.
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John Goodman, Kathy Bates, like people we've seen in the public eye for years and years and years, and they're being very quiet about it. And the messaging that we're all getting is that Ozepic's really okay to take and we should be taking it.
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Oprah Winfrey did not one but two primetime specials on Ozempic after she was forced to admit that, yes, indeed, this was despite having so much personal wealth that she has access to the best dietitians, nutritionists, chefs, trainers. She could hire a minder.
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The way like people who are struggling with their own sobriety have somebody with them at all times to sort of keep them on the straight and narrow. She could hire a minder if her food issues are that severe. Instead, she's taking the jab. Now, I loved the Oprah advertorials for this, the GLP-1s, and I particularly loved episode two when she had Busy Phillips on.
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And the first clip I'm gonna play of Busy Phillips, you're gonna die.
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and busy took it upon herself to apologize on behalf of america for making oprah feel bad about her weight do not apologize for me busy phillips okay because i'm not sorry because i have a theory about this entire thing so anyway let's listen to busy talk to oprah and to us the american people about how she is an expert on weight and weight struggles
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john ham tells the daily mail he was offended to have been contacted by a lowly reporter who are you calling the professionally handsome john ham in the middle of the day um so he says to the reporter i think you should call my rep who are you this is inappropriate it's a very odd choice for you to call me i'd say it's a very odd choice to like beat someone so severely they nearly lose a kidney but
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Okay, let's take that apart. Busy Phillips opens up by saying, I come from a place of celebrity. To which I would say, I think Busy Phillips, you're overestimating just how famous you are. Not many people know who you are. Not many people care. That's your problem. It's not your weight. And by the way, don't bitch about being judged by your weight when you're an actress.
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That's part of the job description. Sorry, if you don't like it, leave. So you go on this Oprah special.
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i think oprah invited her because she did some like video that went viral you know it was just sort of she was just about people judging women for their weight she's not very bright this will i'm sure shock you she's not very bright because at one point oprah's talking to her and asking her why she thinks that
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women judge women and men judge women for weight and Busy Phillips goes, you know, I just, I don't know. I mean, there's just like, I mean, there's so many other things to talk about. I mean, look at all the atrocities going on in the world. This is not a first rate mind. Okay. Not a first rate mind.
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Then she tells, she tells Oprah, like, so she's clearly very nervous and she cannot believe she is in the presence of the great and good Oprah Winfrey because her voice is shaking and her pitch is extremely high and she's giving Oprah,
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credit for bringing such foreign concepts as meditation which i guarantee is a practice as old as humanity itself but no oprah brought meditation into america's living rooms it's like that time when gwyneth said that she went to like a fancy yoga studio and told the girl working the counter like you wouldn't have a job if it weren't for me i brought yoga to the masses
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I think many Indian yoga masters would beg to differ. But again, just my opinion. And then Busy gets into, she works herself into like this high self-righteous dungeon, right? She's telling Oprah, how bad she felt for Oprah on Oprah's one woman special, a primetime special on Ozempic.
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So Oprah's running the show and it was she who decided to display those magazines about her weight, which by the way, are meant to make us the bad guys, okay? Oprah Winfrey
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wanted to be on the cover of vogue magazine so badly that when anna wintour told her if she wanted it she had to drop like 80 pounds oprah did it oprah did it oprah did a whole special on her show when she first lost the weight i'm going to say she was maybe in her 30s at the time and she dragged out i kid you not a red wagon full of bags of fat
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to show us how much she had dropped so if you don't think that oprah winfrey has commodified her weight then she went and struck this huge deal with weight watchers and this was the crux of the thing right i think that was really the origination of those two prime time specials because suddenly oprah had dropped all this weight but she clearly hadn't done it through weight watchers she clearly hadn't done it through calorie counting and diet and exercise so now we have to pivot
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and we have to convince american women to take this drug which by the way we have zero long-term longitudinal studies on the side effects of this drug okay trust me i have a good friend whose partner is like a top doctor in a top new york city hospital and trust me when i tell you he will not let anyone in his life get on these things These are just some of the side effects.
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And not for nothing, we're still re-litigating the long-term effects and the short-term effects of the COVID vaccine, okay? We are going to be litigating that for years. We are going to be seeing deleterious health outcomes as a result of that vaccine for years. But the messaging we're getting
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everywhere and from Oprah, who really should be ashamed of herself, as well as 60 Minutes, which back in November ran an advertorial for Novo Nordisk, the company that invented this drug. It was an advertorial. I swear to you, there was not one. remotely critical question.
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You know, tomato, tomato. He continues, they are claims that have been around for years. No, I don't want to respond. That's not a denial. Again, back to being offended that this no-name nobody called Jon Hamm directly on his cell phone. Who do you think you are, Tina Fey? I'm a little bit offended that you called my personal line. That's why we have representatives, don't you know anything?
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This is malpractice, I think, journalistically, medically. OK, here are just some of the side effects that we know about. And listen to the wording that you'll find if you go look it up online like I did. Okay, pancreatitis, that is an extremely dangerous inflammation of the pancreas. A higher risk of thyroid cancer, just a little cancer.
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They call it, this side effect, they call it vision problems. Let me tell you something. No, I'm sorry, they call it vision changes, vision changes. Okay, if your vision changes, it does not change for the better, okay? It should be called vision problems, blindness. is one, acute kidney injury, which they call kidney problems. Acute kidney injury sounds worse, right? Because it is.
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gallbladder issues, tachycardia, low blood sugar, violent vomiting, projectile vomiting, diarrhea so bad people cannot leave their homes, constipation, fatigue, weakness, sagging, ozempic butt, ozempic feet, facial sagging. These are just some of the things we know about. Listen to Sharon Osbourne talk about her experience on Ozempic.
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My thoughts exactly, Bill Maher. What kind of geniuses in the lab came up with a wonder drug? You know, this reminds me of the Fen-Phen phenomenon in the 90s. Like everyone was taking this pill called Fen-Phen. It was kind of a black market off label drug. I knew people who took it. And it was later recalled because people were dying.
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But it was just like people love the idea that there's this magic bullet for weight loss. And I'm telling you, everything costs something. Sharon Osbourne in this next clip, you will see how gaunt she is. You're not going to believe it. She looks seriously unwell. And she basically talks about her weight. She's having trouble. She stopped taking it. She can't put weight back on.
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Okay, this is yet another side effect. She was dropping so much weight, she just stopped taking it. Some people, when they stop, they put the weight right back on, plus more. Other people, like Sharon, and I believe she's probably in a small cohort, but what do we know, because we have no studies, says that she...
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is the weight at which she at her at her roughest battle with cancer on chemotherapy this is what she where she's at right now take a listen to her i can't put on
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And that's the important thing. You had cancer. You know what it's like to have to put poison in your body to get rid of the cancer. You survived the cancer, but you want to look great. You want to look great. That's the important thing. So you're putting this thing in your body that might cause cancer again, but we look great. So let's bring in the lovely Marlena.
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Shades of Gayle King, I've been to space, you haven't. Talk to me about it when you come back. Okay, whatever. I'm loving this for Jon Hamm. I hope this sticks to him like Velcro and never goes away. I hope he continues to issue tone deaf, remorseless, non-denials about this
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who is one of our wonderful producers, because we were having a great conversation about this the other day, and I was expressing surprise that I'm now hearing about people sort of adjacent to my social circles, like people I'm acquainted with, I don't know well, who are now taking it, and people who I thought would be like above this.
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I heard about someone I know who is on it, who frankly, I don't think ever needed to be on it. And It really is shocking to me how this messaging is working and convincing people who I think are otherwise very smart and sophisticated to put this chemical in their bodies. Marlena, welcome to the Nerve On Air. How are you? Hi, I'm doing well. Great to be here.
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So Marlena, you were telling me something very interesting that... People who are taking Ozempic, we're talking about regular people in our social circles, not like A-list stars. You've heard they are also mixing it with Adderall.
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By the way, the idea that you would need to go on Ozempic is insane. You are a totally healthy fit. normal-sized woman. But this is, I think, the real danger, too, here. I mean, there are so many dangers and things we never hear about, like the lobbying that Novo Nordisk is doing in D.C., like the way that ads for this stuff can run on American TV, unfettered. Europe, they don't allow this stuff.
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They don't allow... pharmaceutical companies to market directly to who their consumers should be. By the way, ads that look like everybody's like singing in some sort of 2D musical, and they're so happy because they're lowering their A1C. I've never heard the phrase A1C more in my life. But the idea that like, this is the messaging we're getting now.
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horrific act he perpetrated and you know when i was reading all of these comments and my editor had emailed me about this um it reminded me of an interview this is a story kathy griffin told years ago i felt like i heard it on the howard stern show i could be wrong but we did find her recollection of being at a very intimate very starry a-list hollywood dinner
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And I think it's really screwing with body standards and body image. And I worry really for young girls who are coming of age now and who are being told this is what you want to look like.
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to send me emails and DMs encouraging me and reacting to the first show and telling them how much they really enjoyed it. It couldn't have gone better from our end either. And I'm so happy that we are back so quickly for you. We've got great topics today. One, we're going to talk about Ozempic.
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Right, correct. They've been seeding this idea that Ozempic is a miracle drug, a panacea that is going to cure possibly everything from Parkinson's to Alzheimer's, which makes me highly, highly suspicious. And the other thing I hate about this drug, and which makes me, again, highly suspicious, is they want customers for life.
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so if you want to keep all that weight off you got a microdose ozempic for the rest of your life risk of pancreatic or thyroid cancer be damned be very very suspicious of any drug company that is telling you they have a miracle drug i do not think this is going to end well thank you marlena for joining the chat and we will be back with bill from brooklyn
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welcome back to the nerve i am so excited about this next guest who i know you're going to love as much as i do he is actually my brother his name is bill he's from brooklyn he does not work in media he actually has a job a career that contributes to the wellness and well-being of society at large and uh he you're gonna hear him talk He has a very thick New York accent.
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years ago, and who walks in but Jon Hamm, who she knows from like comedy circles. He's kind of adjacent to her crowd. So he's not an unknown person to her. And she sees him walk in and he's shooting Mad Men. He's at the height of Mad Men fame. He's directing an episode. So he's high on this now because he's not just a mere actor. He's a director. He's an auteur.
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He sounds like he could break your legs. He probably could. He wouldn't, but he could. And the way I sort of want to set Bill up is to say this, and this is all true. When the LA wildfires broke out and then news broke the really important stuff that Ben Affleck dropped everything,
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raced over to Jen Garner's house, scooped her and the kids up and spirited them off to safety, I thought to myself, how is J-Lo reacting to this news? It cannot be well. My second thought is I need to call Bill and talk to him about this because he, like me, loves to dive in to the human psychology behind these people who otherwise present themselves as so perfect and rich and powerful.
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And Ben Affleck is one of our favorite talking points since he is out promoting his new movie, The Accountant 2. I thought, what better time to bring in Bill and talk some Ben Affleck and other celebrity news. So welcome, Bill, and thank you for doing the show.
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Thanks, Bill. Thank you. Oh, my God. So first, I want to start off by showing the audience Ben Affleck's greatest hits. First, we're going to look at the... This is one of the greatest paparazzi photos ever taken. And were Andy Warhol still alive, this would be a silkscreen print that would go for millions of Christies.
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paparazzi photo of a fed up jennifer garner in ray-bans i think they're ray-bans driving ben affleck to rehab and he makes her stop for jack in the box or fast food she can't even look at him she is so disgusted she's pushing the food, the bag of food in his face while looking down. This shot said everything about their relationship.
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As we know, Ben went on to marry the quote unquote love of his life, Jennifer Lopez, who They were engaged 20 years ago. They like to say the media broke them up. What really broke them up was Ben went to a strip club while he was shooting a movie in Canada. And I will never forget the details of this story because I remember it was like my... JFK assassination moment.
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I was on the beach reading the National Enquirer. It was this story about Ben at a strip club with his castmates who included Christian Slater. They were partying. He performed a sex act on a stripper in the club in front of everybody. They all went back to the mansion where they were staying. somebody walked by a bathroom at some point and saw one of the strippers shaving Christian Slater's back.
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And I was like, these are the details that really make a story sing, you know? So let's take a look at J-Lo and Ben, maybe in the first flush of their newly rekindled romance, they're newlyweds, they're on the red carpet, strutting their stuff, showing how happy they are. Let's take a look at some of those moments in recent memory.
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So right now we're looking at, I believe this is one of Jen's premieres. So look at him get in her face. Look at like, he's a big guy. This guy's like 6'3", I think. And it's her night and he's getting in her face. It's like, yeah, you can see the name of the movie. It's the mother, I think that was hers. Here we are at the Grammys. Oh, I love this one. Ben, his best grumpy face is on.
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They don't know the cameras are on them. And she basically elbows him and is like, hey, Look alive. Okay, this is her crowd, not his. This is her work event. He needs to show up and support her, and he is being such a pill. By the way, whenever it's one of Ben's events, he's always on. Okay, now we're walking to the car. This is towards the end of the relationship, and you're gonna see why.
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And he enters the room and her heart sinks because she has a good idea of what's coming next. So take a listen to Kathy Griffin on Jon Hamm.
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He opens the car door for Jen, Jennifer Garner. Sorry, J-Lo. I get confused. Okay, she steps inside, very daintily steps inside. Watch the slam. The arm, the arm like flies up. It's the most epic fuck you. He knows the cameras are there. He sees them. He's talking to the paparazzi at the end of that clip. And that, ladies, is what it's like to date Ben Affleck. Bill, your thoughts.
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showing so much contempt for a woman who made an entire documentary about how much she loves him. Like that's the thing, like don't date Ben Affleck. There was this great story. Well, okay, before we get into the latest quotes from some insiders who had some really juicy stuff to share with the New York Post, I wanna go back to this clip of Ben Affleck on Howard Stern.
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because now he's trying to win back Jennifer Garner. He has been leaking that he would take her back in a heartbeat if she would have him. This woman is in a seven year relationship with another man. But this was Ben on Stern about like two years ago talking about why he had such a problem with alcohol.
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So, Bill. you've been married for a while now um you're coming up on your 12-year anniversary so congratulations on that um let's say god forbid you split up with your wife would you tell anyone let alone howard stern that uh your lovely wife drove you to drink
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That's why he's so fascinating, because I am also a fan of his. Like, I may sound like I'm not, but I am. For a long time, I had a huge shame crush on Ben Affleck. But he, like, one of my, so I love The Town. I think that's an incredible movie. I thought he did an incredible job with Argo. I love that movie. He also did one of the greatest DVD commentaries of all time for Armageddon.
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And it was so funny, and you can see how this guy would be such a sparkling conversationalist. He displayed, like, self-awareness and self-deprecation, and he pointed something out that is painfully obvious about a movie that kind of put him on the map as a matinee idol, shows he has intelligence, and then he does stuff like this.
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Yes. Yes. I want to I want to read this quote before we go into our theory as to why Ben cut and run so quickly with JLo, because his usual MO is to force the woman in his life into leaving him by treating her like shit. So this is a quote from someone who knows Affleck in this, it was this incredible story in the New York Post. It was like a Sunday, great juicy read.
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Quote, the dirty secret is that he, Ben, he's the diva. He's the one who likes attention and calls the paps and manipulates women. He love bombs you. And once he's got you, he gets bored and leaves. It's cruel. And anyone who remembers what he did.
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So this guy, again, we're promoting a movie and he loves his favorite thing is to love to run around and say, I have no idea why everybody's so fascinated with my private life. Like nothing, nothing to see here.
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anadear moss this up-and-coming starlet at the time she's building a nice career for himself for herself left him and he had one of his children by the way again we all know what their children look like i i shouldn't really know what they look like i think he had one of his children take a life-size cardboard cutout of anadear moss and dump it in his trash containers in full view of the paparazzi
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nothing to see here um okay so the ditty of it all because we're going to get into ditty as well share your theory bill as to why ben affleck chose a moment in which um jennifer lopez was in europe to flee the 65 million dollar marital home in the metaphorical dead of night and move into a 20 million dollar rental closer to who else jen garner um to
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I couldn't agree with you more. I think that it, because it's so goes against his normal ways. We just spoke about of exiting a relationship. Like he got the F out of there. He, and he never does that. And then, so in this new, GQ interview, he's on the cover, this cover story, and he's like super like they've sort of made him look like kind of a Bob Evans super producer Hollywood type.
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The first question in this profile is speaking of tabloids, the FBI visited your house and he gives this like lengthy run on explanation, which has two different reasons as to why the FBI showed up at his personal residence
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and none of it really makes any sense um and i think there's probably only one reason the feds would show up at ben affleck's house with everything that's going on am i crazy my favorite part of that story was ben affleck had to call the fbi to find out why they were there i mean oh my god that was amazing that was amazing i don't know how one knows to call the fbi or how to get in contact with them i mean do you google them do you have a direct client i i don't know
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That is amazing. Now, to transition to the Diddy part of this, first of all, do you remember when J-Lo and Diddy were arrested in that nightclub shooting?
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watched the law and order episode about it oh my god it's one of the best ever it's one of the best ever they you know at the height of his arrest they were playing that thing on a loop like you could tune into like you know whatever channel runs at we tv or whatever or tbs but um my favorite anecdote from that night was uh so they have j-lo in a separate interrogation room and she says to the cops by the way like someone people have been shot like a woman got shot in the face
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This is why I've never liked J-Lo. She says one of many reasons. She goes to the cops, I need you to go out and get me some cuticle cream. My manicure's really taken a beating during this arrest.
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So the New York Times ran this huge front page story on Sunday. I don't know if it was this past Sunday. Sean Puffy Combs' Life Behind Bars. And no pun intended, this is a puff piece. This is a puff piece about how hard Sean Combs has it. in MDC, the Metropolitan Detention Center, which is one of the worst. And they have this power. First of all, there are two things worth noting.
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The jurors, prospective jurors are going to be asked if they will be willing to watch videos of these free coughs.
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lest we all need a reminder we've all seen the video of sean combs beating the out of cassie in a hotel hallway this is what this guy does in public imagine what he does in private we all know the story of kid cuddy his rival rapper saying that sean combs telling the new york times sean combs threw a molotov cocktail into his car to back him off of of a love interest that they both had um now the times has this really sympathetic graph two actually one
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Diddy has lost his jailhouse best friend, Sam Bankman Freed, the crypto fraudster who has been transferred to another prison. And secondly, the feds raided his or prosecutors raided his cell while he wasn't in it, which they're allowed to do, by the way. And that how wrong that was. But the.
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argument that they put forth in court was that they were getting word that sean combs was trying to intimidate witnesses allegedly from inside bill what do you make of that i first the whole let's feel bad for for diddy i i i just can't i don't know how anyone um
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That's right. The lawyer said, there's no way I can go forward on this case. None.
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Oh, my God. That's the funny. You're so freaking right. That is so funny. OK, I want to move on to our last topic, a favorite of yours and mine, Rosie O'Donnell, who is doing a series of interviews promoting this documentary that nobody's interested in. They want to talk to her about two things. One, she fled America for Ireland after Trump got elected, and she told The New York Times
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she said to her shrink if he wins i gotta go and uh my therapist said quote well let's make a real plan so she moves to ireland with one of her children who is both autistic and non-binary uh and then she talks about befriending lyle menendez who she says is the first straight man she's ever really fallen in love with. I guess the days of Tom Cruise crushing are over, well and truly.
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And that he makes her feel safe, Billy.
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So he wrote her a letter. He wrote her a letter back in the 90s because she has a habit of befriending people who wind up in a lot of trouble.
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that's a good question but remember like his father the father that he and he and his brother eric savagely murdered along with the mother never forget at this crime scene when uh the the the the cops came the investigators came jose's body his his brain fell out of his head kitty the mother was unrecognizable and and one of the brothers said i put i put the i put the
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Welcome to The Nerve. I'm Maureen Callahan. This is our second show. You can probably still hear a little bit in my voice. The nerves are still a little bit there, but I promise you they are actually transitioning into genuine excitement. We have an incredible show lined up for you today. And again, I just want to thank everybody who has been kind enough
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the gun right to her cheek and I blew her fucking face off. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what happened. And this was premeditated. They planned it for a week. They stacked up their alibis. They made a hysterical phone call to 911. The whole thing was premeditated. And Lyle, by the way, has just been caught recently cheating on his wife.
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while behind bars with a woman who was born the year they were married uh with an illicit cell phone that he's not supposed to have in prison so lyle remains a great guy and this is who rosie o'donnell is throwing her support behind to get him out of prison i i there was nobody else she could befriend um no support group that i mean parents of autistic children
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It's so funny you say that because how she and Lyle connected apparently was once she started taking Lyle's calls and they talk like all the time now. Lyle told her what a great idea it would be for her autistic non-binary child to get a dog that had been trained as an emotional service animal by felons.
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and lyle really wanted to to hook her up with this and then she went on to say it was a it was a great idea he gave her and that's exactly what she did god damn it and she made a documentary about it so let lyle menendez out yeah i mean listen i i just i it just all seems like clickbait right she's not she's no longer relevant she's leaving the country because of president trump i'm
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Yes, and by the way, I just want to say there was a press conference in the White House with Donald Trump and the prime minister of Ireland. It was in the Oval Office. And during this presser, a reporter named Brian Glenn with the news outlet Real America's Voice asked the prime minister of Ireland why he was allowing Ms.
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O'Donnell to move there when all she could do was, quote, bring unhappiness to the country.
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And I'm sure Trump's answer, I don't know what Trump said, but I'm sure it was great. Just like when Trump said that he was not going to cause any problems for Prince Harry because he had enough on his plate with Meghan Markle, who he said is terrible. And I thought, I don't... That was great, right? Like whatever side of the aisle you're on, we can all agree that Trump spoke the truth that day.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
Well, Bill, this has been an amazing chat. I'm so glad you have agreed to come on the show. I know this is not normally your wheelhouse, but you have agreed to become a recurring guest. And so you will be hearing from Bill from Brooklyn more often. And I thank all of you for joining me today on The Nerve, where you will never guess what we're about to say next.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
I love that anecdote because it ratifies everything we were just talking about on Monday and or Tuesday rather excuse me, and don't forget I also talked about the way in which he dumped I believe dumped they said it was mutual, I'm not buying it. his girlfriend of like 18 years who stood by him while he was struggling to make it, who sacrificed marriage and children because he didn't want them.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
And then he turns around and marries a woman half his age and starts talking publicly about how now he wants kids. Lovely. This is what Jon Hamm really thinks of women. Jon Hamm walked into that room and he couldn't believe that Jack Nicholson preferred to talk to Kathy Griffin than to talk to him.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
We're going to have a real conversation about Ozempic, not the conversation that you're probably overhearing like in tabloid media or among anybody you know who's on it. We're going to talk about what it really does to you and why it's so accessible and pervasive. And is it worth it? I'll bet you can guess, but we're going to do a deep dive on that. Also,
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
He couldn't believe it, probably because Kathy Griffin can actually hold up her end of a conversation and has some natural wit. I think Jon Hamm's got none of those gifts. And so what does he do? He gets boozy. This is the other sort of line about Jon Hamm that's been rumored for quite a while, that he's like a mean drunk.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
So he's drunk, according to Kathy Griffin, and he's leaning into her ear and insulting her. And what does he think the biggest insult he can level against her? A, her Emmy's not real. Whatever that means. Whatever, Jon Hamm. And secondly, that she's old.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
that she's old are you freaking kidding me you know john ham age comes for us all and it's gonna come for you and you typically wind up with the face you deserve so enjoy being professionally handsome as long as you can because i don't think you're long for this world in terms of that stuff um great okay moving on we are going to get into our let them segment and this is one of those topics i think we're going to be revisiting quite a bit which is the sort of health and wellness and self-help
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
stuff that is really primarily marketed to women often by women and the latest self-help guru to captivate the nation is a woman who before landing on this a theory that she calls the let them theory which i think is ridiculous and we will discuss why uh she had like 19 failed ventures uh she somehow wound up in eight hundred thousand dollars worth of debt
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
She never tells us how or why I would love to know how one gets into $800,000 worth of debt. But now she thinks she's the one we should all be going to for advice. And guess who else has fallen for it? None other than your and my favorite person, Oprah Winfrey. Take a look.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
Wow, that is so true. Is Oprah even present for this conversation? I feel like that's like the replicant Oprah where you push a button and you get one of her patented responses like... Wow. Or that's so true. Like, is it, is it other people never stand in your way? Yes, they do. Of course they do. We've all had people stand in our way.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
You don't worry about what other people think when you're proud of yourself. Of course you do. What is this garbage? So, okay. This book, like, I think this book sold like, a slew of copies before it was even published. Like it was like on the New York Times bestseller list for weeks and weeks if it not still is.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
First, I want to show you guys this author photo because this author photo is like to die. Okay, look at this woman. Look at her freaking, she's looking up as if she's like a beatified saint and all she's spreading is joy and knowledge and she's blessing us all. So that's red flag number one. Number two, the let them theory, she's claiming initially that she had coined this.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
It's been around forever. Her origin story is that she thought this was a great idea when her daughter, Sawyer, who figures prominently in this story, told her to stop nagging one of the kids in the house about doing something. She just said, geez, mom, let them, let him do it. And that was, oh, Eureka, you know, a movement is born. Okay.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
My brother, Bill, who I call Bill from Brooklyn for the purposes of this show, is going to make his debut, his media debut. And I think you're going to love him as much as I do. We're going to talk Ben Affleck and more celebrity gossip. But we begin today with actually the biggest podcast in the country, according to Apple charts. If you are on Instagram,
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
Sawyer also co-wrote the book with her mom, whose name is on the cover. It ain't Sawyer's, it's Mel's. Now in Mel's theory, I'm supposing her daughter should have just let her get away with that. But apparently the newer editions of the book do have Sawyer's name on the book jacket. Sawyer, get a good lawyer. Start now, start early, start young.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
Okay, so I'm gonna read you sort of samples from the let them theory. which is full of garbage. Chapter two is called Getting Started, Let Them and Let Me.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
And in this chapter, Mel Robbins shares a story that many people can relate to, I think it's happened to everybody, where she's harmlessly scrolling through social media one night, comes across photos of her friend group, realizes they're all on vacation without her. And they look amazing. They look like they're having the greatest time and she is extremely wounded.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
Now, if you're going to be any kind of self-help guru, I think you need to first acknowledge to your audience that social media is a lie, that most people are putting a highly edited and curated version of themselves out on social media. And if you believe that you're a moron, and I think that Mel Robbins is kind kind of a moron because she believes it. And then she goes on to say,
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
I hadn't really spent time with them as a group in a long, long time. I hadn't invested in those individual friendships and I hadn't planned anything fun or reached out to them recently either. So these people are probably so fed up with Mel Robbins, who can probably talk only about herself, her marketing team, the multiple platforms she's building out, how she's become, this
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
incredible figure that everybody just wants to go to for advice I mean I'm sure like presidents and prime ministers call her regularly uh and they were probably like you know let's just ditch her she's not really great and she lacks kind of the self-awareness to be like maybe I'm the asshole so anyway moving on she again this entire book the premise is let them and the premise is
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
that if a friend group leaves you out of something and you're very hurt, let them. If your boyfriend is kind of being a jerk to you, let him. If your boss refuses to give you that promotion or that raise that you know you deserve, let him. The idea that this is a blanket policy that is applicable to any and every conflict in your life is so moronic.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
I'm sorry to use that word again, but it's so truly profoundly dumb. Like for one thing, I think that anger abides for a reason in the human race. I think it's an evolutionary adaptation. I think in the right moments, in the right doses, it can actually be healthy.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
it can alert you to something or someone who is not quite right this buddhist idea that she's sort of like repackaging and shilling that the only way to happiness is to somehow find a way within yourself to eradicate hurt feelings betrayals um anything that basically upsets you and is motivating you to look for change, I don't subscribe to it.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
I don't actually subscribe to that Buddhist theory that wants and desires are actually the root of all human misery. I think wants and desires, again, if you view them through the right lens, can be a very life-affirming thing. I mean, could you imagine hitting a plateau in life where you're like,
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
done it all seen it all i have no goals i have no ambitions i've reached this plane of otherworldly existence where i don't desire anything and by the way this is going to loop into our future conversation about ozempic because that's one of the side effects that the drug companies don't really tell you about
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
chapter what is this eight eight in a book that is just way too long this is the um the title which i love so she goes the right decision often feels wrong to which i wrote in my notes does it i don't think it does i mean we all have anxiety there's good anxiety there's bad anxiety but i think this is a very strange
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
At any point in any given day, this woman has clogged up your feed like no other, I am sure. Her name is Mel Robbins. She has a book out. It's called The Let Them Theory. We're going to take this thing apart. If you've already spent money on it, I would request a refund. Uh, and the hugely popular theory that she's been selling, um, on multiple platforms though, these many months.
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Why "The Let Them Theory" is Terrible Advice For Women, Plus Celebs and the Dangers of Ozempic
idea to be putting forth to a bunch of people who follow you and believe that you do have some kind of access to wisdom that they do not and by the way mel robbins has no training in psychology in sociology in human behavior she doesn't know anything more than you and i do okay so