Maury Povich

This is the New York Times.

We don't show people what we write.

I said, does that mean I'm going to have to read about it after I die?

He said, yeah, that's the way it's going to be.

That my obit's already written?

You know what I said to myself?

Well, then if that's the case, let's have the funeral right now so that everybody can stand up and say all these things about me and I can listen.

I think journalism is in big trouble and I felt that for a long time.

So does my wife.

It's tough to find the kind of journalism that not only we practiced, but we believe in.

I interviewed Joy Reid on the podcast and she, I said, so what would you call your, your feelings about news?

Do you think you're a journalist or do you think you're an opinionist?

She gave me a comment that I felt was legit.

She says, I'm an opinion journalist.

I said, okay, a lot of us would think that that's kind of cross-purposes, but that's okay.

If that's where you want to feel, that's fine.

I said, so what does that mean?

She says, I give an opinion based on fact.

I said, okay, as long as your fact is right.

I give credit to one publication.