Max Kellerman

if there was any issue, it was easily fixable.

It was like, that's something that gets hashed out quickly.

is brutal with his own clients.

Right.

in the sense that he will tell you, Rich will tell you what he thinks.

And he manages to do this thing, even when he was like a source for me, right?

When I was on ESPN and he was an agent.

He manages to do this thing where he's never positioning you in a way that's going to burn you.

Like if Rich gave me information, I never had to worry about, I'm going to get burnt by this because he's giving me this information to position me for his client, right?

Now, sometimes it was beneficial for his client, but it was the truth, right?

If Rich tells the Celtics-

you could trade for AD.

He's not going to resign here.

He's not telling them that because it's not true.

Tell them that because it's true.

That's, that's not the plan.

And so, so he's, he's manages to be extremely straightforward and honest, even when the honesty is highly critical, even of people he works for and with, uh, and also maintain good relationships because people know it's coming from the right place.

It's funny.

One of the reasons that, um,

were with you is because I have done lots of stuff that has been repurposed as podcasts, right?