Max Kozlov

The community, patient community, really rose up and called their congresspeople to try to slap some sense into RFK Jr. Next thing you know, about a week later, some of them were restored. Unfortunately, this is still a minority of all the research that's been terminated, but it is a nice story to hear that they restored the funding.

The community, patient community, really rose up and called their congresspeople to try to slap some sense into RFK Jr. Next thing you know, about a week later, some of them were restored. Unfortunately, this is still a minority of all the research that's been terminated, but it is a nice story to hear that they restored the funding.

Absolutely. I mean, there are so many cases where they quietly pull funding, and I think they're hoping that it stays that way. They want to capitalize on this culture of fear they've created. They know that people are scared right now, and they don't want to speak out because maybe the government will pull other funding or they'll come after your institution. And so I

Absolutely. I mean, there are so many cases where they quietly pull funding, and I think they're hoping that it stays that way. They want to capitalize on this culture of fear they've created. They know that people are scared right now, and they don't want to speak out because maybe the government will pull other funding or they'll come after your institution. And so I

The more that this can stay in the public's eye, that's what really the administration is very sensitive to. And after they saw the outcry of the Women's Health Initiative funding being pulled, that's when they decided to reinstate it.

The more that this can stay in the public's eye, that's what really the administration is very sensitive to. And after they saw the outcry of the Women's Health Initiative funding being pulled, that's when they decided to reinstate it.

Well, I will say, yeah, the nerds can pack a punch too.

Well, I will say, yeah, the nerds can pack a punch too.

And there's not a whole lot of scientific evidence behind those claims. They're very tempting to believe because they're so weighty and so hefty. But there's not actually a lot of evidence beyond.

And there's not a whole lot of scientific evidence behind those claims. They're very tempting to believe because they're so weighty and so hefty. But there's not actually a lot of evidence beyond.

Oh, yes, I have. It's quite an experience.

Oh, yes, I have. It's quite an experience.

I'm looking at it right now. I'm looking at Donald Trump's, like he has like a body shot. It's like, I don't even know. It's like a reality TV show. But basically it just says, you know, that definitively the origin of COVID was in a lab.

I'm looking at it right now. I'm looking at Donald Trump's, like he has like a body shot. It's like, I don't even know. It's like a reality TV show. But basically it just says, you know, that definitively the origin of COVID was in a lab.

But it is already impacting how research, and specifically research on microbes and viruses, happen.

But it is already impacting how research, and specifically research on microbes and viruses, happen.

So I think the devil will be in the details. If it's interpreted really broadly, that's definitely going to add even more uncertainty to a very, already a very uncertain time.

So I think the devil will be in the details. If it's interpreted really broadly, that's definitely going to add even more uncertainty to a very, already a very uncertain time.

I would say that people are... scrambling. They're afraid. And just to give you a statistic, since we last talked, we did a poll at Nature of how people are feeling and if they are thinking about leaving the country because of these policies. And of the 1,600 people that responded, 75% said they were considering leaving the country. 75%.

I would say that people are... scrambling. They're afraid. And just to give you a statistic, since we last talked, we did a poll at Nature of how people are feeling and if they are thinking about leaving the country because of these policies. And of the 1,600 people that responded, 75% said they were considering leaving the country. 75%.