Max Tegmark

And once this heavy lifting, this intellectual work has been done by experts in the field, which can be done quickly, I think it's going to be quite easy to get policymakers to

To see, yeah, this is a good idea.

And it's, you know, for the companies to fight Moloch, they want, and I believe Sam Altman has explicitly called for this, they want the regulators to actually adopt it so that their competition is going to abide by it too, right?

You don't want to be enacting all these principles and then you abide by them.

And then there's this one little company that...

doesn't sign on to it.

And then now they can gradually overtake you, then the companies will get be able to sleep secure, knowing that everybody's playing by the same rules.

Absolutely.

We've seen that in many other sectors where you've had the free market produce quite good things without causing particular harm.

When the guardrails are there and they work, capitalism is a very good way of optimizing for just getting the same things done more efficiently.

But it was good.

In hindsight, I've never met anyone even...

even on parties way over on the right in any country who thinks it was a terrible idea to ban child labor, for example.

Yeah, so again, there's this cliff.

It gets quite scenic.

The closer to the cliff you go, the more money there is, the more gold ingots there are on the ground you can pick up or whatever.

So you want to drive there very fast.

But it's not in anyone's incentive that we go over the cliff.

And it's not like everybody's in their own car.

All the cars are connected together with a chain.