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Mazviita Chirimuuta

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
363 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

Idealization means attributing properties to the system that you're modeling in science, which are known to be false.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

So for example, in genetics modeling, the assumption is made of infinite populations.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

These kinds of idealizations often make the calculations more tractable, but of course, there's no such thing as an infinite population in real life.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

In some way, an abstraction is also always a false representation, always an idealization.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

So sometimes the difference between the two can be subtle.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

How I put this in the book is that an idealization kind of points us to the thought that when we have a scientific representation, we're kind of presenting something which is kind of cleaner and better than the thing in real life.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

When we talk about someone being idealistic, it's like they have a view of how things should be.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

And unfortunately, reality does not live up to that.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

So idealization in science is often to do with sort of representing things mathematically in a way which is kind of cleaner and neater than could be possible in real life.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

So I watched some of the videos with Francois.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

I found it really fascinating, precisely this kaleidoscope hypothesis, because seeing that as a philosopher, I thought, that's Plato.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

Because Francois precisely says, we have the world of appearance.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

It's complicated.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

It looks intractable.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

It's messy.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

But underlying that real reality is neat and

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

mathematical decomposable.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

This is precisely this sort of contrast between the world of forms and the world of being, sort of eternal stable truth, and the world of becoming, appearance, messy, flowing, complicated reality.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

And so it goes back thousands of years in philosophy.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

It's really interesting that this is an assumption not only that AI researchers make often,