Megan Stoner

I mean, I'll figure it out.

I mean, the good thing is if they keep me out of jail, I can give them all the money they want because I get my financial aid next week. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, going to jail wasn't really what I wanted.

I think so.

That's, like... I know.

I have like four court dates Thursday. What? I've got that one in the morning for the mechanic that I'm suing, which has nothing to do with any of this, 8.30. And then I have bail revocation hearing at 10.30, plea trial negotiations at 10.30, and then at 1.15, I guess they're amending my charges. What does that mean? I have no idea. I've not got any info on that at all.

Brent has not told me. He might have told me, but I've been in a flurry of emotion, so I wouldn't know. Yeah.

Bob said it usually means more. Usually, but I don't know at this point. No one knows anything. It feels like a hodgepodge problem.

I doubt that. They've always had one on the table no matter how sucky they were. Yeah, yeah, okay.

It is. And I'm just praying that this doesn't bite me in the ass because my attorney's going to kill me. I mean, my attorney's like, don't talk to anyone. Like, just turn your phone off. I'm like, that's not easy, though. We're practical. I don't know how else to live. I mean, already living without human connection on the outside. I mean, I can't interact with anybody.

I can't tell anyone my name. I literally live like I'm a fucking hermit right now. I mean, this is literally what it must feel like to live like a refugee. Like, this is ridiculous. I mean, this is ridiculous. This is not how someone in America should live. Like, this is terrible.

You're going to lose your mom.

I'm about to meet with a witch. I think I'm going to do that. I've been wondering about doing a witch, having a witch. Meeting with a witch and doing a spell. What? I know, I know. That's what my life has come to.

Yeah, I mean, I don't really care about anything else other than the one case right now. Or the Hamilton County case.

Yeah, and the prosecutor's not going easy because of all the media attention.

Yeah, and he knows that. And I can't do a year in jail. I'm sorry.

Yeah.

Well, I talked to my attorney. That was Tuesday. And then he said on Thursday that he was still waiting to hear back.

No, they've offered that. My attorney went back and asked them, like, if I could just do, like, 30 years on house arrest.

I would be willing to avoid jail.

Yeah. My dad was on house arrest and got through it. I mean, it's not that terrible. It's better than jail.

She just told me. Fuck.

These people, I'm sorry. These people are vicious.

I think they've convinced her that I'm a bad person. I don't know.

They've just convinced her apparently that I'm a terrible person. I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know either because this whole thing is fucking insane.

Yeah, of course. We're working out something on Tuesday for Elwood. We're going to pay the warrant... At the bench, so it's not going to be squashed, but we're going to pay the bail there. Yeah, right, and then I'll just let you go. Yeah, that's hopefully the plan.

Yeah.

I mean, this is my life for weeks now. And I'm just, and I'm tired of hiding in seclusion. That's the other thing. Like, I'm so tired of this.

Yeah, you just have to be by yourself. And I guess this is where you really want your mental ability to test of how strong can I stay? Yeah.

And, I mean, I guess you've been in the group. I mean, what are your thoughts? Like, how do I get this stopped? Because my attorney wants to do a press conference, and I don't know if that's a good idea.

I know. I'm trying to stop.

I'm not kidding either. I was up all night emailing attorneys. Why? Because clearly my attorney, I mean, okay, so I have an attorney named Brent who's already on the case. He got me down. Well, and here's the thing. The public defender I had had me at 10 years in prison. Whoa. And Brent in one week got me down to a year. So, like, do you see the progress? Like, that's progress.

Yeah. And... I mean, I don't like attorney hopping anymore than anyone else does, but you know what? I don't have a choice. It's my life. So there's this guy named Bob. He's supposed to be the best of the best. He's very cocky. And he was a former prosecutor in Hamilton County. He's the one taking over the Elwood case. Okay.

He's really good, but he didn't realize how much media... I told him there was a lot of eyes on the situation. I had a lot of media attention. And I tried to tell him this. He didn't listen to me. Everyone that knows my mental state is really worried. So anyway, I hire Bob, who's supposed to be, you know, the best of the best.

And Bob goes, well, this is going to be interesting because I don't know how far I'm going to actually get in the Hamilton County case. So I don't know what's going to happen. Nothing, nothing is clear at all. I just know that I emailed a bunch of law firms and I'm hoping someone gets back with me.

Any new gossip or anything I should be aware of?

Oh, wait, which one? The Tesla?

Oh, I know. Yeah, I told you, the 100 and some pages long.

I have it. It would be right here.

I have, actually.

I'm sure you guys enjoyed that as an exhibit. The text messages are an exhibit, so you might have access to them. I'm sure you all enjoyed that.

I don't think they're expecting the 60 grand in full because they know I don't have them.

I hear you.

So if you were me, what would you tell her?

Right, I get that. But I mean, in forms of compensation, what can I do?

I don't know. I mean, I don't think offering her to prison is going to get him the compensation that he wants. I mean, I can offer that and my letter back to them, but I don't think that's going to be, I don't think the attorney is going to be like, yeah, we want you to go to prison.

Right. That's the biggest thing I need help sorting out when I do get out of here. Yeah.

So, yeah, I have a lawsuit in front of me. I've read it. But I'm wondering, like, and I know you guys don't really want to decide who gets paid first, but can someone offer me that? Like, I don't know where to start.

Yeah, I know. It's a losing argument. If I'm picking myself, I know the whole thing. I've had this exact conversation with others, like Justin. It's a losing battle of who would get paid back first, if it's me deciding or anyone else. It's going to be unfair to anyone. So I agree with you. I think it needs to be increments, I guess.

I was going to say probably half a million.

Do the Masons know that I'm currently in jail at least?

Okay. Cause I tried calling the attorney's office and I'm not getting through. So I don't know if it's, I don't know what else to do right now.

No, I've tried calling Steven's attorney.

Well, they did before, and I was calling because I want to settle this. But even if I send a letter, I don't think it's going to make it in a week or two weeks.

No, but I can say, hey, I admit to this, and I want to, you know, when I get out of jail eventually, I want to make payments or something. No, don't do that.

Yeah, I don't have any money right now. I'm in jail.

Well, you guys don't want to help me get it, so I counted that money as well.

Okay.

I have it, but no one can help me get access to it, so why would I not count on this lost money?

They're misdemeanors and I have proof, but I will respect the justice system and let it play out.

Hey Alyssa, has there been any reaction yet on social media to my sentence or to my plea agreement?

I'm not going to prison. I'm staying here. I'm doing six months. For level six.

No, it's 365 days. But for level six, you get two from one. And so I'm doing six months, and I've already got some time served.

Yeah, I've already got time served and then times that by two. Okay, here it is. Here's the letter. You get two for one credit on level six. You have credit for April 27th through the 28th and then September 10th to November 22nd. You would have to serve 108 actual days in jail. The time would be in Hamilton County as your sentence is not long enough to transfer to the DOC.

Then you would go to community corruption for 365 actual days. And then it'll be set out for sentencing because I paid back and so the prosecutor needed to verify those two amounts because I paid those people back. And that's noted on my case, at least. Yeah, so I only pled guilty to two counts. They threw out seven charges. Well, yippee for you.

I'm glad that you got to scam all those people and just got away with it.

I hear you. And I will just say this. I was really shocked that the judge accepted the plea agreement. I kind of went into today thinking the judge would not, to be honest with you. Because of how we've seen the jar with me in the past, I would not have been shocked if he didn't, to be honest with you. I kind of thought that too. I kind of figured that he was not going to accept it.

Yeah, I'm absolutely shocked. And the only people I guess I'm paying back are in this plea agreement at least.

All right, well. I guess everyone will be pissed on social media, so.

I just wanted to say that I don't know if anybody would believe me. And it's okay if they don't, but I sincerely want to change. Why now and why not before? It just sounds like you're saying that because you're in jail. That's the hard part. I've heard from a lot of people why I've been in here on texting and on the phone.

And I realized how many people I've hurt and I don't want to be that person in society. I don't want to be like a mini, like not saying I, I'm not like trying to compare myself like that I've killed or anything, but I don't want to be like a Hitler. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be a bad person. I want to be a good person.

And Alex was suggesting some things that I could do to write some wrong, like writing to credit card companies and stuff. If I have a little bit of guidance when I'm outside, um, I can really make a lot of wrongs right. I can really start correcting things. So you're saying you opened a credit card and **** name. You admitted that to her?

He's in some really financial crisis right now. I think that was the hardest one for all of us to swallow. He is like the most kind and caring person I have ever met. And I'm sure you know that I've read every single text message you ever had with him. And Megan... The things that you said and did to him, those were character flaws. Like, that's not just, like, one bad decision.

That's, like, you're going to have to really do some work to recover from that. And then opening credit cards in his name, like, absolutely, you need to write that credit card company. I mean, that poor man is out, like, 15 grand. If you could write the credit card company, I think that would be amazing. I think that would be a very big first step in writing your wrong.

I think that would be very wise, and I would be fine if you mailed it to me and I could mail it to the credit card company. I don't know if you can mail it from there. I don't know how that works. I don't have any envelopes, Alyssa. Do they have envelopes on commissary? I'm sure they do. I didn't see any last week. I will figure it out for you how you can get an envelope with a stamp on it.

I can make that happen if you can write the credit card company for ****. I think that would speak volumes.

I mean, I could give that back to auntie the same night. Okay, here's my question, though, because earlier you told me you had $6,000 of your dad's in an account. What happened to that? Was that a lie? Look, don't lie to me. Just tell me that was a lie. You said earlier you told me you had money from your dad in an account and you couldn't access it. Correct. I can't on the inside.

On the outside, I can go to the physical bank and withdraw money. Megan, I hope that what you're saying is the truth and that you have that money in an account somewhere because if you're not, you are just perpetuating your lies and your crimes at this point.

It wouldn't even be a crime if you just said I had the money and got me to bail you out. That's not a crime. It's a gray area. But I'm telling you that if you're lying about having six... I don't know. I don't remember how much you said you had in that account of your dad. But, like, if that's a lie, regardless, I don't need you to say it to me or not.

But, like, just know you're a shitty person if that's a lie. You're just literally perpetuating everything that has happened already. I know. I don't know if anyone would be willing to help me bail me out and then, like... if the money paid back is a, if they want it, obviously they could have it, but I don't know if it'd be better spent like giving it to or not. Deserves a lot. That poor guy.

I mean, honestly, there are not a lot of words I could say about that, but I mean, I could get him 7,500 back. That's what I've got.

And then my aunt was willing to chip in $500 on the bail payment back if anyone did it.

Well, like I said, I think a really good step is writing to the credit card company and saying, look, I, without his permission, opened a credit card. He had no idea I did it. Did you even use the credit card?

I wasn't aware of that. Yep. So that, I mean, I'm sure that's, I'm sure that's fucked up his credit horribly. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need to, that's the first thing you need to do. And I would, if you have pencil and paper, I would be doing that now. I will personally put $5 on your account. If you order an envelope with it and mail that to me, I will mail it to the credit card company.

That would give some people some faith in you that you're willing to do the right thing, admitting something that you haven't even been charged for. that you did wrong and that you're willing to start making those wrongs. Right. I think that's a very good first step. And I would be happy to help you with that. Is there anything I can help with outside of to help make things right?

Like, is there anything you would like me to like, I honestly, if you're moving in the right direction, I'm willing to help. Yeah. I mean, I know nobody believes me, but what I would like to do is get out somehow, um, I would like to not have to use that money for bail, but I would if I had to. But I would like to give $7,500 back because I think $75 would be a significant amount to start with.

It's not just $5, you know, $75 and a lot. And I think that could, I mean, I don't know his financial situation, but, you know, you say that you're sure $7,500 could go a long way. It would, yes. But, okay, let me ask you this question because this is the question we all have. what kind of account is this money in? You said it's from your dad, but you don't have a card to it?

It's, um, you can look it up. It's a, they deposit money. So it's through MetLife and they deposited money into a bank account. And, um, you basically have to go into the bank to get money. Um, I, yeah, um, I've called them before and like, I haven't used a lot of money out of it for obvious reasons, but like one time I had to pay one bill for something and I was able to wire it and I called them.

Um, it's been a, like, um, I don't know that I want a checking account, but it's like a, I'm the beneficiary of a life insurance policy is the best way to explain it. It's like a trust fund.

Your mom doesn't have access to this account? No, she's not the beneficiary and I asked her if she was willing to help me get the money out and she's not willing to do it because she's not going to be involved in anything the least bit sketchy.

Hey, what's going on? What do you mean, what's going on?

The truth about what?

Yeah, Megan, I literally just got off work. Okay, I know, but you were asking me a bunch of questions, so I didn't know what was going on. I was just asking because you said your mom took your money, so I wanted to make sure that you have bail money. Yeah, I do. My mom took... Out of my checking. Um, but I still have my dad's money.

So you still have the money that you need to give me back after I pay your bail. Yeah. I'm not going to commit another felony and not do it to you. Trust me. Not about committing felonies these days. Well, you still haven't been truthful this last week or two. Does your mom want to sign your bond or do I have to? My mom can. Okay, well then I will get a hold of her after I have the money.

It would be tonight or first thing in the morning. Okay. Hey Alyssa, can I ask you a question while I have you on the phone? Yes. Can I ask why? Why what? I'm just, I'm sure you can understand, like, why I would be shocked, you know, that you're offering to pay this. And I know that you want paid back. I get that.

But, like, I'm just really shocked that you're wanting, you're getting, like, you want me out of jail. I thought you wanted me to sit here. Well, I told you earlier, the only reason I was doing it is because you need to pay back. Okay. And that's going to be done. I will go out and remove my name off your bond if I'm the one that has to sign it, and you'll go right back to jail.

So I was on my way to pay your bail and your mom called me. I went there last night. I tried to get ahold of you, but you had blocked me. So I told him I would come back this morning. I'm on my way there this morning. Your mom calls me freaking out. Tell me, do not bail you out under any circumstance that it's a waste of money.

She was saying all kinds of shit and I recorded it and let everyone listen so that, you know, I'm not lying. Your mom told me not to bail you out.

Are you going to bail Megan out? Yeah, why? Because it would be a waste of money? I would just wait on that until I hear from the lawyer. Do you not want your daughter out of jail? I'm confused. Well, she'll go from one jail to another. That's going to happen no matter what. Let's say she bails out.

that she can go for mental health treatment once she gets out of the other one and all the charges will be dropped. But who's going to pay the bill over in there? I am. She's going to pay me back. She's actually got like $15,000 in the account. To me, I wouldn't do nothing until I talked to her lawyer. Well, she got to do this. She's been begging me for two weeks.

I told her I gave her my word that I would. Well, it's just going to be a waste of money, a waste of time, because it'll go from one jail to another. Right, and I'll bail her out of the next jail as well. I will not sign for it. I'm going to. Okay. Because if she doesn't pay me back, then I'll revoke the bond. And file charges for the money, obviously.

But she's assured me that she's got it in her account. Like you said, I just waited for a while and see what happens with this lawyer. Because, um... Stoner then abruptly ended her call with Alyssa after hearing Gail discourage Alyssa from paying her bail. Minutes later, Stoner calls Alyssa back.

Can you apologize for calling me a liar first? I apologize.

I'm getting very, I don't know what's going on. I'm sorry. Well, I tried to tell you what happened. You called me a liar. I don't really appreciate that.

Well, now you do know. Now you know what your mom's doing behind your back. You know what's going on because I'm not going to lie to you like I've told you a million times, but you continue to call me a liar even though time and time again I prove to you that I'm telling the truth. I don't know why I do that, but... I really shouldn't give a fuck.

What? Hey, I know you're not my secretary, but I was wondering if you could call a welfare check on my mom, please. Why? Because something is wrong with her. She's acting berserk. She's dazed and confused. She doesn't know what day it is. She's acting all berserk.

No. It's not like Xanax, like nothing prescribed? Nothing prescribed. Did you just talk to her? Yep. I mean, do you think it's possible she just doesn't want to talk to you? Or do you think there's actually something wrong with her? Because I'm not going to call if... This is just Megan getting mad. I really think there's some, I think there's something wrong. She's like, what day is it?

And I'm like, it's Sunday. That's, that's your only indication that something's up? No, she also told me that she's not slept and she doesn't know like where things are. Like all of a sudden my purse is gone and just weird ass things that don't make any sense.

Okay. I'm just telling, like, I'm not going to call if this is just you throwing a tantrum because your mom won't talk to you. No, that's not what it is. I'm just legitimately concerned about her.

You have a child, Megan?

You gave birth to a child?

I think you are absolutely delusional at this point.

Okay, I'm definitely not, but let me tell you something else. You've never had a child, Megan. This is the best thing I've heard yet. Do you have any pictures of your baby bump?

Did you have a child out of your vagina?

Okay. Well, you should figure out what went wrong in your head when you thought that you had a child.

Well, yeah, there's no reason to argue. You never had a child. You've never given birth to a child. Stop telling people your kid died. Yes, I have. Thank you very much. Megan, you have lost your mind. Your other lives were crazy. This one's like, I'm baffled right now. And it's disgusting to people that have had children and lost them. You're lying about having a kid.

You have lost your mind. Okay, well call me back when you've decided that you didn't have a child. And your mind's in the right place. Okay?

You're trying to locate the birth certificate of the child you never had. That's really interesting.

A private... I don't care that no one... Yeah, my kid was adopted out.

Almost 10 years ago. Leo was actually helping these parents the last three or four months I got involved in her life, and he was helping these parents from afar, and he had kind of a messed up situation with his own kids, but he gets it.

Hey, Alyssa, it's Megan. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Hey, I need a quick favor. Okay. Go to my case for me and... The name of my attorney for Elwood. If you could get the name, and if you could Google the name and get me the phone number, please, it would be extremely helpful if you could, please. Okay, why? Because I need his contact info for the court, and I don't have it.

So I can't even get her Social Security card number to do anything. So I'm like, S.O.L., The dad is still in the hospital.

So I don't know what's going on. And it's all a clusterfuck. And I've been trying to sort it out for three days, and I'm getting absolutely nowhere with the jail, the court, anyone. No one's helpful. No one wants to do anything. So I'm S.O.L. It's been a nightmare on Elm Street trying to coordinate

Yeah.

Yeah. If I ever get an envelope to know the judge, but I don't know if that's going to happen. I'm irritated. I'm frustrated. I'm stressed out beyond belief. I went to Bible study last night though, and cried all the way through Bible study.

How would they know? No one has talked to me. Besides you. I have talked to no one. I talked to Alyssa for, like, five minutes.

Never used his name on Twitter, but okay.

Waiting on you all to accuse me of murdering my child next. At least I have an alibi of where I was.

Yeah, probably going to happen.

The jail told me to contact my public defender about the funeral. And I'm like, I'm trying, you moron.

No, they're out actually like Leo. They're out in Cali.

I'm not going to California. We're going to try to do something in Indiana.

It's not going to be today or tomorrow because I had to contact the judge. So it gives us a little bit of time to figure it all out because they said the dad's still in the hospital. I can't make arrangements. Um, Yeah, it's going to be a few days probably, would be my guess. But they did say something about Indiana. We could do something in Indiana. I'm hopeful for that.

I just don't know how to get a hold of anyone like the judge. It's frustrating.

I understand.

I understand. That's why I didn't want to talk to anybody about it. That's why I was just calling you guys a family member because I knew no one was going to believe me.

He didn't call him.

All right, one second.

Yeah, I called him for a weekly check-in. Yeah, Leo was helping me get established in my life. And so I called on Sunday.

But yeah, it's been at least a couple of years because he's been out now. Yeah. So, I mean, it's been a while, but yeah, he, he got these public records there, not public records, but he requested records from the department of health. I don't really want to miss her funeral, but I don't know.

Who have you been able to talk to since you've been in there? Just my mom. Does she know, like, how to put money on her phone to have you call? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we've been doing that. Yeah, we've been doing that. She just doesn't know how to do my case at all, so I'm kind of stuck. It looks like Kyle Noon is the judge. It looks like your lawyer withdrew his appearance. That was Brent.

told them that I'm psychotic, whatever. I'm a scammer, thief, liar, fraud, whatever, et cetera. And would have told them I don't need to be in her life, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And would have turned them against me.

I don't know if anything's being said in the group right now, but I wanted to call to apologize.

When I lied to you.

The kid.

Well, I'm not sure that's the only thing I can think of that I've told you.

Okay, the plea deal is true, and I'm actually going to be writing the judge about it. So you all can just wait until I write the judge.

It should say, if you click on my name on the case, it should say Aaron Heifner, I think. Oh, yeah. Kenneth Aaron Heifner. I have the number. It's here on my phone. Okay, what's his number? Thank you. Thanks, Alyssa. Yeah, no problem. All right. I'll talk to you later, okay? How's it going today? I'm okay. I didn't sleep last night. and so I've been a little more emotional today.

Justin, can you please just to me. I don't have anyone.

I know it's mine and I'm willing to accept responsibility. I understand that I had an issue with lying and I'm sorry.

Megan, we're all done speaking with you. Every last one of us. Okay, why? Because all you've done is continue to lie and cause drama and try to turn people against each other. It's just really disgusting. I called the jail and had them... Excuse me? You don't think that you've tried to turn myself against my mom? Listen, let me tell you something. I called the jail.

You called me like 20 times in a row the other night. I didn't answer. I called the jail and asked them to block you from calling me. So I don't even know how you're calling me right now. Well, I am. You literally have called all of us at least 20 times with no answer. Like, what is going to make you get the hint? Like, none of us want to speak to you anymore. We're done.

No one is going to help you. Like, we literally all just want to see you sit there.

Well, then that's on you, Megan, because you're the one that scammed those people. We didn't do that. And you will continue to scam for the rest of your life. That's why you told everybody you had a kid that you never had. That's why you tell everybody you have money in a bank account that you don't have. You think that we're ignorant or we're stupid, and none of us are.

And at this point, we're all just so done with you. It's the same story every time we talk to you. It's so fucking repetitive. What story? Every story you tell. It's all lies. It's always the same shit. It's always trauma dumping with someone else's trauma, not even your own. You're sick, Megan, and I think... I mean, at least I didn't lie about Jim Woods, so...

You think that's the worst thing anybody's ever lied about? Like, Megan, you literally told us last week you had a child that you never had. I had to answer to tell you to stop fucking calling. None of us are going to spend another dollar. What? You wanted something on record. That's all you wanted. You know what? It doesn't matter what I wanted. I just really think

At this point, like you need to sit in there and be isolated from the world like you deserve. I think you've been getting off on a talking to all of us. We've been giving you way too much attention and we're all done. We've all come to the conclusion that none of us want to speak to you anymore.

We'll get them from the court, Megan. When you either go to trial or take a plea deal and end up in prison. I could care less at this point. All you've done is lie. I've literally gotten no information from you that was useful. And it's done nothing but waste my time and money. Money that I work for. I didn't scam anybody for it. I had to work hard for my money.

No, fuck you. I'm not telling you anything ever again. I was never your secretary. I'm not your secretary now.

Well, it seems like you're kind of used to staying up all night anyway, right? Yeah, I just wish I would have gotten some sleep last night, but I got a little bit today, and I was able to talk to both of my attorneys, so that was good at least. What did your attorney say today? Just making a game plan for stuff. So like right now, I just need any positive energy I can get, you know? Yeah.

Not fake positive energy, but also not like, you know, go to death row. That's not helpful. Who told you that? Marion County. Some people in Marion County told me I was going to death row. Like the inmates? Yeah. You thought you were going to get the death penalty for stealing money from people?

Well, they told me because I was going to be transferred to Hamilton, and they kept telling me that when they took me to Hamilton, it would actually be to the penitentiary to get the needle, and that I wouldn't even get to see a judge. Megan, I would think you have more common sense than that, to know that that's not true. I know, but it got me really worked up.

And I asked probably 30 times on my way to Hamilton County if we were just going to Hamilton County, because I was legitimately... kind of scared because I've been, I mean, I know you guys think I know a lot, but I've actually been kept in the dark about a lot of this.

And that's probably why I need a lot of help right now. Because you don't know what's going on? Well, yeah, and when I do know what's going on, I tend to get really overwhelmed, and then I just shut down. And that's why I'm having my mom step in a little bit more now and help me until I get back on my feet. Like I said, I did reach out for my meal for you. That was one thing I was willing to do.

Megan, I wouldn't expect there to be a lot of compassion or kindness there. I just want you to be prepared for the hard conversations. If you're wanting to talk to people like this, you need to be prepared for anything.

I get feeling alone, but, like, I thought you had people on, like, Team Meg. Where are those people? Or was that just lies that you made up and those people didn't exist? A lot of people turned against me, either for good, bad, or whatever. I mean, people turned for whatever reason. I mean, I... You know, when you are sitting on Jeff's L4, you learn who your friends are. Yes, that's very true.

I can imagine that would be a pretty humbling experience.

I just hope somewhere through this you find the ability to have remorse for these things. I know you said that you have it, but you had a really funny way of showing it when you were still on the outside. I just think that I don't know how to show it, and I'm trying to learn. I'm hoping to find some direction from someone like my attorney this week or next.

Like, I don't know how else to show my remorse. I don't know what else to do. Well, I don't know. I don't think you can teach someone how to be remorseful. I think you're going to have to learn on your own.

And, unfortunately, you're going to be learning it the hard way.

I'm a remorseful person. If I do something, I feel terrible about it. But, like, I don't usually ask people for money or try to scam them when I'm feeling remorseful. I really want you to hear what I just said to you because it seems like in the past you said you were remorseful and then just kept doing the same shit over and over. I am cooking dinner. If you want to call me back, maybe around 8.

Okay. Thanks, Alyssa. Have a good dinner. I'll talk to you later.

I got put in protective custody last night, which was not fun. Why? because of the publicity of my case, I got put in protective custody. The publicity of your case got you put in protective custody? That's what they told me. That's weird. So I got put in protective custody last night. I'm back in gym top today, which is really nice. Yeah, I kind of feel like that makes you a target.

If you're in protective custody, they're going to want to know why you're in there. All of those girls in there are going to want to know. I wrote a really long, long, long, long letter, like a whole page, two pages.

I was like, listen, I need to have community, and I know that this is jail and we don't get what we want here, but if you guys want me to be able to integrate back into society at some point, I really would like to be with other people and be able to have social skills. Because in productive custody, you don't get out for one hour a day. Really?

Yeah, and you don't get to socialize in productive custody. Literally, I mean, it's almost like solitude. Like, I'm not kidding. It's not fun. I mean, you get your tablet, but still, like, you know, there's life outside of calling, you know, you guys. You know, there's people and social skills to be have and to have.

And for me to learn how to treat other people correctly, which I know sounds like a weird place to learn that in jail, but you'd be surprised. Do you feel like you've learned anything since you've been in there? Learned a lot.

I'm trying to find out if I'm going to be allowed to take a piece of paper into the court on Monday because I'm supposed to, I want to read a letter to the judge, but I don't know if they're going to let me take paper with me. I really think had you gone in front of the judge when you were supposed to, you would have had a much easier time than what you're going to have right now.

I think this judge is going to be a little upset. I know I would be. I feel like... I hear you. I think they're going to think it was disrespectful, you know? So if you're going to write a letter, I would make sure that you're just very sincere in the fact and maybe tell them why you were running. I don't know that you had a good reason. I mean, I assume you were probably scared. Yeah.

So I don't know. I'm just trying to focus on Monday because it's going to be here. Today has been one of the better days I've had. Like I said, I got to come back to general population, which is nice. If you're ever in jail, you want to be in gen pop. You don't want to be by yourself. Trust me. Yeah, I feel like that's jail inside of jail. You know what I mean? It doesn't really help. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, I'm already in jail, and then isolating me more is not helpful. So... Yeah, I would understand. I would say I understand that. I do feel like it's a punishment inside of a punishment, but... I don't understand why if it was for your... I mean, if I did something to deserve it. Yeah. I mean, if I got in a fight, you know, or if I punched someone, okay, fine.

But to be like, oh, your case is high profile and we need to put you in protective custody, like, what the fuck? I don't know that I could get used to that. Yeah. I think that would suck. I will say this. I really hope you take that determination. I really hope you take that determination and you put it towards being able to right your wrongs

I think there were a lot of people out here that are thinking, like, if you get away with this or if there are no repercussions for what you did, that you'll just come out and be the same person. And I think we would all like to see. Megan, let me tell you something. Someone mentioned this one time, and I thought it was, like, the best thing I had ever heard.

If you had been a different person and had done different things, you wouldn't have had 1,500 people against you in a group. You would have probably had 1,500 friends. I'll be honest, I've made a lot of friends through this, like people that I really respect and are good people, like Mike and Kyle and Chloe and people like that, Alex Brewster. These are good people.

And I think none of us are here to... I can agree with that. None of us are here to be like, oh, you know, I hope she dies in there. I want to see you be a better person after this. We all just want to see you change.

I mean, we don't have to, obviously. I understand that I've done some things wrong in the past and I'm trying to correct those going forward. And I just wanted to reach out because I know you're one of the people that have been attacking me right or wrong.

Okay. If that's okay.

I mean, Chloe, I'm not going to sit here and go through every little thing. If you want to ask me questions, I will try to answer them to the best of my ability. I'm not going to entertain questions on the legal front. But if you have any questions, I will try my best. I'm happy to try to shed any light on things that I can.

Well, you've claimed I wasn't an intern on Todd Young's campaign.

No, I was an intern, Chloe.

Okay. I guess it would. Okay. Well, that's what called it in the text message. Are you saying I'm not an intern because I was fired? Is that what it is?

Yeah. But are you saying, are you, I guess then is the difference that you're saying I was fired so I can't call it an internship?

I agree. I was fired. I went back and I was fired two days later. I agree. I was fired.

Some of it. Yeah.

I guess at the time I didn't realize the consequences.

For Curtis?

Honestly, I don't remember, but I probably did.

Never said I did. I got that taken back from me.

Honestly, I can't remember. I know that I worked under Alex on Pence's campaign for a while.

Does a 501c3 count?

No.

Yeah.

Who did I tell?

Oh, okay, yeah, Benjamin, yeah, okay.

I'm aware.

No, I paid with a credit card.

I don't think they took checks.

I've never said anything against most of those men that you've talked about. I don't know where you got that info, but you can confirm with Knisely. I've never said anything about him.

Not true. And I've never claimed that I really have a Chloe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's fine.

I mean, honestly, I've considered that, but I didn't know. That it would matter anyway, so that's why I've not done it, because I figured that nobody cares about my opinion or what I say, so I figured it wouldn't matter.

Well, maybe one to the John Kasich campaign.

Honestly, at the time, it was my parents' check and didn't know it was bad.

And it wasn't my check. I couldn't have checks at that age.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did on my FEC. I mean, my filing, I don't think there was anything to really report other than expenditures. I was kind of went overboard on the website.

I mean, again, not under my LLC. I don't have an LLC.

Okay.

I really don't know. I mean, happy to answer any questions. I mean, I don't know what else to own. I don't know what else you have interest on, interest in.

I don't think it's that high, but I mean, I know it's higher than three or four.

Justin and I are working on putting a public call out and trying to figure out who all was wronged. And if they've been wronged, I'm happy to try to make that right. And I've started that tonight with another victim.

I'm not working with kids online. It's like proofreading, like essays and stuff for college adults, like resumes and stuff. It's nothing to do with kids.

I've taught under Kelly Education as a substitute teacher.

Just since August. One second. Just since August.

They put me on temporary leave until after the trial, I guess. I don't know. I'm still fighting that. I don't know.

I'm not teaching. I'm putting out plans. That's all I'm doing.

Yes, I was. I was hired at Mount Vernon.

I don't know, a week. Yeah, options, charter school, Mount Vernon.

No.

I'm figuring it out, Chloe. I'm applying at places. I'm thinking about like maybe Starbucks or Hobby Lobby, like just stocking shelves, like something that it doesn't really matter about pride. It's just something to make money.

I mean, it doesn't matter. I know you're not going to believe it, so I don't know what to.

Don't really discuss that. I mean, she came and got me when I was in jail with the DUI. I don't really know what to say to that. I mean, she was going to help me out with bail money this last time, but I ended up not going that route because I didn't want to owe her even more money. Yeah, I mean, as far as trust goes, I don't really know what to say. I mean...

She talked to me the night I got out of jail and we've talked since. I mean... I mean, she seems to care about me. I can say that much. Trust? I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, you can, I have another friend that you can ask. I mean, I moved shit in. I mean, I took my stuff that I had, books, stickers, supplies, pencils, notebooks, erasers. I took all that stuff in the classroom with me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Honestly, I have the paperwork if you want to see it. I don't care. It was cough medicine.

Chloe, it was 0.0. That's why it's an OWI now.

Come to the trial. It's June something.

Well, I'm out of, I'm out of continuances. Um, the last time the state asked for the continuance.

Yeah.

I mean, I know everybody, and that's the other thing I want to address. I know everybody keeps talking about like a jury trial and all this. I hope everyone realizes that like, if I do go a jury trial and I don't take a plea bargain, which I don't know what I'm going to do yet. All I've done is consult with attorneys. I've not retained one. First of all, the jury trial would be dragged out.

It's not going to, I highly, highly, highly, highly, highly doubt it would be this year. And I'm sure your husband can agree. A jury trial probably would not happen in this calendar year. Even though it's scheduled to, I still doubt that it would actually happen.

Second of all, if I take a plea bargain, which I actually asked this question this weekend to an attorney, if I take a plea bargain, I'm still looking at a six to nine month turnaround time. It's not gonna be quick. So, I mean, there's that. I mean, nothing's gonna be quick. I doubt I'm gonna do a jury trial. Yeah, so, I mean, there's that.

I mean, I know everybody is thriving off the idea of coming to my jury trial. Well, first of all, I doubt we're going to go that route. Second of all, I've already been thinking about what a plea bargain would look like from a prosecutor's office.

Because nobody would ever get back to me and nobody would be honest with me.

Yeah, now I do.

I've learned.

Hello?

Hey, is this Megan?

Thank you. Hey Megan, this is Xavier. I'm so glad that we get connected.

How has your night been?

Oh yeah, of course. Sorry. I probably only have maybe five to 10 minutes. It's been exhausting with the research work this week and I definitely need to go to bed sometime soon, but I wanted to make it a priority to connect with you and kind of just get to know you. So tell me more about yourself. And I know we've talked a little bit on Instagram. I would just like to know more about you.

Well, yeah. You know, one thing that, you know, stuck out to me, too, is I'm I'm, you know, more surprised that there's people in India that are looking for this work and are aware of it, too. You know, most people that I'm familiar with are on the coast. There's not too many people kind of in the heartland that are interested in this.

So I was glad that when you messaged me and figure out that there are people that are interested in this sacred space, too.

Not not really. I mean, maybe maybe two. And so I was really thankful to see that you reached out just to see if we could explore this together. And, you know, I was really just surprised it happened kind of so quick as well. You know, it's really exciting to see somebody that cares about this, you know, as much as I am, you know, believes in the healing that can result from it, too.

someone now from la and you know he only takes on two to three clients at a time because this work can really take a toll on a practitioner so i'm glad you recognize that because you know some clients i think that that's a challenge that i've seen in just in this field and something that i've heard from other practitioners as well as about a fear that they have you know when working with new clients because it takes a you know while to build up the trust and rapport as well

I mean, that's such, you know, I think that's a systemic problem that we have is that, you know, people that need this care can't get it. It's a luxury for a lot of people when it needs to be, you know, basic need and be treated as like a lot of healthcare.

I know that's probably way forward looking in the future, but hopefully we can get to a point where people see it as needed healthcare, not kind of this you know, weird manifestation because I think it is some of the most powerful work that I've seen, especially in the field of trauma, healing and, you know, sacred spaces.

So I'm getting close to probably when I need to get ready for bed tonight. But, you know, maybe we can continue this. I don't know if you'd be interested in meeting, you know, in, you know, Bloomington or I could come over to Indy. you know, whatever works best. But I think that may be the next step and we can connect in person.

If that's something that maybe interests you or another phone call, let me know. But I think that might be the next step for us.

Okay. Fantastic. Well, Hey, I really enjoy this Megan. Um, and I know we'll probably talk on Instagram, uh, well before then.

Take care. Yeah. Bye-bye.

But I don't know who Annabella is, but...

I don't think so. All right, thanks, Tiffany. Bye-bye.

Yeah, I just want to make you aware of two things. One being that my Anderson City court case, the one that was a probation violation case,

Yeah, I just want to make sure that you are aware that the Anderson City court case got closed out. I caught the violation by catching the charge in Elwood. But I guess because I have been incarcerated so long, I guess they just decided to close out my court. I didn't even know they could do that. I got the letter last week. I was completely shocked.

It was because of the theft charge in Elwood, because I caught the case in Elwood.

Yeah, but I never got to have the hearing on the violation because I never got to have the Elwood case yet. And I guess they just got tired of dealing with me and Andrew, so I'm not really sure. I know you're meeting with Sergeant Mardelon.

Okay, I appreciate that, Tiffany.

Yeah, what can you share?

No, he has completely fallen off the earth.

Got it. He lost his job due to being an associate of mine, and it was really an unfortunate situation. And unless he comes forward, I don't think he has anything of that, and I don't think he wants to be involved anymore.

No, that's not true.

I never had a roommate named Elizabeth.

Yeah, no, I don't recall saying that at all or texting it or any format of communicating that.

I don't believe so.

Hey, Tiffany, thanks for making time to talk.

Hey, I just wanted to see if you had any new leads or anything, or how it's going with the podcast.

Okay. All right. I just wanted to check before it gets crazy and I get out on Friday. Do you know what social media is saying about me by chance? Is it pretty active right now?

Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah.

Okay.

All right. Thanks, Tiffany. I appreciate it. Take care.

No.

I don't really think anybody would want to get involved. I think that it's pretty much been held that, you know, my aunt and my circle of influence, we understand what's been going on. We know the truth. But as far as trying to go out on a front, there's no point. You know, people are going to believe what they want to at this point.

And kind of like what you said, some of it's, I think, old news at this point, and I think a lot of people just want away from it. You know, it's concerning me, so that's why I'm having this conversation. But, you know, as far as everyone else in my circle, you know, we look at it as November 15th when I walk out. I paid 99% of my debt to society, you know.

I just got restitution and probation left, you know.

I can't really think of solved out of court. I know Adam was sold. He had sued me and I got him paid back. And that was a civil case. Yeah, I can't really think of any others.

I think it's been very hard because I feel attacked by almost everyone else. But the victims largely have stayed out of it, and I get that for legal reasons and whatnot. But to my knowledge, they did not show up at the hearings, and only one wrote a victim impact statement.

Now, that's not to minimize my involvement of my choices on their lives, but I think for the most part, you know, my victims just weren't paid back. I think they didn't really want to be dragged through the mud with all of this. Well, I understand I had to answer for my choices. I think that if I wasn't incarcerated, I could have gotten them paid back a lot sooner.

I look forward to getting out and being able to pay them back, and then I think hopefully then we can all move on in some way. So that is your intention? Yeah, that's also a court order that I have to pay them back as a stipulation of my probation, and I intend on doing that. And I think it speaks that, you know, I paid Adam back, and I believe that I've paid more to Kayla

and what was stated on the court order. However, I have not had a second of free time to prove that. And that's one of my top priorities. I do believe that I had paid her back or at least paid more than it stated, but I look forward to getting out and paying the restitution and hopefully, you know, starting to move on from this nightmare. I think that's what everybody wants.

I made a lot of bad choices, not mistakes. I made choices, and I take responsibility for those. I really do. You know, I messed up, and I messed up back, and for my mistakes, I've been incarcerated. I've been put in jail. You know, why I sit here and I write this, I own up to all the choices I made. I can only blame myself for what I did because no one forced me to do what I did.

I brought it upon myself, and now I realize that I can go out and make better choices when I get out, and I can be a more productive citizen. All right. Thanks, Tiffany. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Did you talk to Sergeant Marglin?

Did he give an interview? No.

I hear you. I just wondered.

What was the name of the Facebook people that interviewed them? My aunt's been trying to find that.

My comment would be he's not a psychologist or a psychiatrist that can diagnose me. Okay.

That's not true. That's my only comment on that one.

Yeah, I will just leave it at that then. I'm not trying to lay the rule with everyone, obviously.

Yep.

No, I'm good.

No, I'm not commenting.

My aunt is considering dropping a lawsuit. My aunt and I have become extremely close as of my mom's death, and she regrets taking it out of the family.

My mom might have some bad tricks. Honestly, I don't know. I was a child.

My mom was 100% an honest person. That's why, you know, you will see that she even paid the cleaner, the cleaning lady, when she had heard that she wasn't paid on time. My mom was an absolute honest person, and my dad was, too. Both had integrity, and both raised me much better than at the choices I made.

No. She was promising bail money if I did it.

You know, actually, I just won't comment. I will just say I felt very coerced into things because she was like, I'll bail you out if you do this and this and this. And I really didn't have a choice, I felt, because I wanted to get responded out this time last year. Okay.

No, they were friends of mine.

Yes, I do, but I think that's a tough question because neither will speak to me to get resolution on the situations at hand, and I think both have been blown way out of proportion.

And I don't view them more susceptible because they're very intelligent human beings. My intention was never to scam them.

I did not.

I did not. Okay. They were my friends.

I did not obtain it fraudulently.

No, I'm good.

Nope. I think everything, I think the, I think everything speaks for itself.

Meaningful without in court.

The money went to the moving company. Not Bulldogs, but an immigrant company that helped me move. I needed some money to get my stuff out of storage. No, the money was provided to them immediately. And I had to provide proof to GoFundMe because GoFundMe tried to shut it down several times because people complained, whatever.

No, he did not.

Yeah, it was due to cough medicine that was in my system, which everyone knows I made that very public, and the fact that I was on allergy medicine, and they tried to say that I had above the therapeutic dose. I will say that I was at my mom's,

prior to getting pulled over my father was passing away later passed away a few weeks later it was my birthday anyone that knows me knows i've never had a drink of alcohol i've had maybe once at a wine but other than that everyone that knows me knows i don't drink it was just a situation that i couldn't argue they said it was above the therapeutic level

Okay, I have a prescription, and there is nothing else that could really be said, so I pled guilty and got a year probation.

Is he going to?

I would just say that, you know, our relationship that we had was a very intimate and close relationship. My trauma was on full display, and I had a lot of things that I had to navigate through during that time, and I believe that Harry and I did so successfully. And we were talking as of the time that I was arrested last year, so 12 months ago, and we spoke once or twice while I was in jail.

I've been locked up, so I don't know how you want to classify that.

Well, we were starting to work again together when I got picked up last year.

Six months. February, March, April, May, June. Then we kind of paused in June. He was out of the country for his honeymoon. And then we picked back up when he got back in late August, September, right before I got arrested.

Hi, this is Tiffany. Hi, this is Megan Stoner. Thanks for taking my call.

Yeah, I was just curious if you could tell me a little bit about your podcast and kind of your angle on my story.

I mean, I'm happy to touch base with you in November.

Okay. I might talk with you in a month or two then, yeah.

I'm so glad this finally worked. I know that we've been having some trouble getting in contact.

It's been okay. You know, I've got seven weeks left today and I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, seven weeks. I'm looking forward to getting out. As you can imagine, I'm just looking forward to seeing my aunt and my dog and hopefully starting a new life as much as I can.

I do. I have probation for a year, but unfortunately, I found a place, but if I hadn't found transitional living, I would literally just be on the streets because I'm not under any supervision other than probation. So they would have just basically let me go regardless of if I had a place to go or not. So thankfully, I just found a transitional living. We'll see how it goes.

Elwood, sorry. It's okay. It's okay. Yeah, I have a city court case in December, and then I have a probation violation. I'm found guilty in Elwood on the 20th, the next day, in a town called Anderson City Courts. Yeah, those are kind of my next two court dates. This is a house cleaner that claimed that I guess she wasn't paid. But shockingly, my mom and I both paid her.

So she got paid double and we both, I have both receipts. And one is from my mom's debit card account and then one is from my cash app. So I look forward to presenting that to the judge and hopefully getting that dropped.

I do. I do. I have a public defender in both cases.

No, they don't like you representing yourself. I mean, there was one gal that tried here in Hamilton County, and they ultimately ended up sending her to a mental hospital over it. And until she agreed to get counsel, they wouldn't let her out.

He doesn't?

Yeah, I'm hoping so. And then my license is no longer suspended. And so the judge is pretty lenient there. I mean, it's city court. And then in Anderson City Court, it sounds like I can just pay off my fees and hopefully be off probation there. I'm hoping to get that done when I get out. I think I got 800 bucks or whatever left to pay on that one.

So I'm hoping to get that paid and I can be off probation in Anderson. And yeah, I'll just be on probation in Hamilton County and then eventually I'll get it transferred when I move.

Yeah, so my first will be the Hamilton County case because my plea stipulates that has to be done first before anything else. So once that money is paid, let's just say roughly $3,000. Once I can get that paid back, then I'm going to start looking at my other people that I owe, like and Edward and other people. But yeah, you're right. It will be a while before I even get to Mason Motors.

I've been counseled that on those bigger ones, I should just declare bankruptcy. So I don't know what's going to happen.

I think I finally figured it out. Thank you for doing so.

Okay. What do you think your first episode is going to be, can I ask?