Meryl Horn

Yeah, exactly.

It doesn't sound that bad actually, right?

Like instead of having sugar, you're supposed to basically have everything else.

You can have starch, you can have protein.

And they wanted them to do it pretty precisely, like substitute out one for one, like the calories that you're going to have for sugar have the pasta instead.

But what ended up happening is that instead of doing that one-for-one replacement, they ended up eating less overall.

So like, so yeah, instead of having like the exact amount of calories that they're going to have in sugar, in pasta, they ended up having less pasta.

They just couldn't get that much starch down their gullets.

Yeah, yeah.

And so they ended up losing weight.

And so Jim couldn't do the thing he was trying to do, which was see, like, which is worse, calorie for calorie.

Here's what they'd need to do instead.

Yeah, basically.

So yeah, he had to wait for these more careful studies to come along.

And they have.

Yes, yes.

Okay.

Other researchers will do what he was trying to do kind of properly.

So like make sure people aren't actually changing the total amount of calories that they're eating to find out if sugar itself causes more weight gain than other stuff.

Okay.