Meryl Horn

And then we also have lots of studies just generally showing that being exposed to violence, like police violence, is really bad for your mental health.

And while a lot of this research focuses on the people who are, like, really affected by ICE activity, we also have evidence that the ripple out effects from, like, a prolonged upheaval, like what's happening in Minnesota, might be huge.

So, like...

Moving away from the U.S., there was a study on Hong Kong that looked at the social unrest there in 2019, all the protests and the violence and how that affected people's mental health and like the general population there.

So not specifically protesters.

And they found that someone's risk for depression went from about 2% to 11% after the protests.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

And then finally, I talked to Bill about the supposed reason for all of this.

So there's this claim that the raids are making the U.S.

safer because the goal is to deport violent criminals.

What does the evidence show?

Do these raids make communities safer?

Less likely.

And how come?

Yeah, so we cover this in our old immigration episode.

A few years ago.

Yeah, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes compared to other people in the general population.

And there was an analysis recently from the Cato Institute, that libertarian think tank, that analyzed a bunch of deportation data that was FOIA'd.

And it found that ICE is arresting 1,100% more non-criminals on the streets in the summer of last year compared with about like 10 years ago.