Mia Mottley

I really don't believe it.

And the reason I don't believe it is because somebody can stay on TikTok for four hours.

So they do have an attention span.

But they just rotate it.

Yeah.

I think what they've done is we've created a system.

We've monetized the world.

where keeping you addicted to the drip drip means that you don't realize the long-term reward of exploring, understanding, misunderstanding, rereading, digging deeper, and then getting to the end of something where you go, oh, wow, there's a moment where I knew nothing about this.

There's another moment where I thought, then I lost, and at the end of it, what a beautiful expanse of information I now have.

Yeah, and it's a discipline that people had before.

But I think that we need to get people to understand that you need to be able to discern and to explain and to understand.

You don't have to agree with everything you read, but you need to understand what it is you're doing and why you disagree.

Don't press anything.

We've got more What Now?

after this.

You talk a lot about global debt.

And I think you've had one of the most outsized influences in helping people understand why so many countries in the world are stuck in the positions that they're stuck in.

You know, I grew up in a country where people, until this day, will say, oh, well, I mean, look at South Africa.

They haven't, you know, and look at, and then I've seen them say that about African countries.

Well, you know, Africa, they haven't done well for themselves.