Mia Mottley

World War II, yeah.

Okay.

And I can give you all the examples of the discriminatory treatment, including the fact that you allowed Germany to cap

its debt service payments on the basis of its exports, percentage of its exports, or that UK took a hundred years to repay for World War I, but yet you want me to borrow and pay back for a school in 15 years or a hospital.

Makes no sense.

We need longer term, cheaper capital in order for the developing world to get where it needs to get and to stop the migration that you're complaining about and to have

structured arrangements for labor movement and labor shortages.

But if we go back to all of this, we find that, look, the absence of that capacity to have cheaper money and cheaper capital is actually making the world unfair.

Transpose it as you did to populations.

The rich get access to loans on a phone call and the poor have to depend on a susu or a meat intern if they're lucky.

And it is that absence of,

Fairness, that I believe that if we get in the same room, most human beings do have empathy.

Most human beings do care about fairness.

But when you're in a large corporation, as you said, and you're pushing for quarterly returns and all of these things, you can hide behind all of that.

But if I confront you face to face, you're actually going to say, you know, you're right.

You know that I'm fair.

And we start to begin, even if it is going to be complex for you to deconstruct, we start the process and we at least agree on the destination.

And then we start to discuss the modalities for reaching that destination.

Climate has come at a time that maybe if I was leading 15, 20 years ago, I'd just remain a voice in the wilderness.

But the global circumstances, and in fact, the democratization of voice because of technology has created...