Michael B. Jordan

Is that an intention?

Did you want to bring something that felt softer into the marketplace?

When you say marketplace, yes, I guess.

But no, I think honestly, yeah, the world is complicated right now for many reasons, political reasons, on societal levels in many countries.

And I just have, because I have small children, also have this yearning for some hope and that there could also be a place in art to see the other, you know, and not necessarily make polarized

stories that deal only with antagonists and stuff like that.

I try to understand people in the movies I make.

Even though this is a family story, it's about two adult women, two sisters, who are trying to reconcile their relationship to their father and how they deal very differently with it.

And through that, I wanted to make... You know, a friend of mine said the other day, which I was very happy about, you kind of made a happy ending for once, Joakim.

But it's not cheesy.

And I felt kind of off the hook there.

We're trying to do something about the baby steps in a family, where, you know, it's all the stuff we don't know how to talk about that is really at the core of the drama here.

I did a special recently, and I went to Oslo, Norway.

And I was struck by many things about traveling to Norway.

But the public sculptures in Norway are so beautiful.

There's a famous sculpture park that is both hilarious,

dark and funny, angry baby statues.

There's a person, Vigeland, I believe.

There's a father who's catching babies that are up in the air.

But also walking the streets of Oslo, I see a lot of statues that, unlike in America, the statues you see here are generals or politicians who have won wars.