Michael B. Jordan

Just like a really unpleasant person trying to live life, right?

Like, I don't like that character.

I know where she's coming from.

I know where she's trying to get to.

But she is so abrasive and so hard to...

I guess, quote, root for, unquote.

But the actor is delivering the thing that makes the character human.

And the human part is unlikely.

This is a desperate, narcissistic woman whose dreams might not ever come true.

And what you're watching Ellen Bernstein play is just...

the anger of those dreams failing, but also like, like loving this kid and letting this man into her life.

But, but you know, cause it's Chris Christopherson, you better let him in.

But also what does it mean to have him there?

Yeah, but you know, I hate that movie.

I know you do.

I think that's why it didn't... I think, you know...

Something happened with that movie and its response and the response to it.

And I think what you're identifying is something like what people felt.

You know, we did an episode of Cannonball on the reaction to that movie.

And part of that conversation that I had with Sasha Weiss was just like reading the comments that got filed on Manola Dargis' review of the movie.