Michael Barbaro

So it sounds like for you, it's not the fact of ICE coming that is the issue.

It's the way that ICE came.

So let's talk about that.

So

The president makes his case that immigration enforcement should be happening on a larger scale in Minneapolis.

And in early December, he makes it happen.

How did the operations of these ICE agents work?

And how did it start to affect the police department that you run?

What changed?

I mean, you're hinting that their tactics are different.

Wait, wait, so ICE officials are taking someone out of their car, arresting them, and their car is not even put in park.

And how does that sudden influx of 911 calls, because people are experiencing ICE tactics, affect the department as a whole?

How does it complicate your policing?

I mean, you've been talking around this, and I think we should just make this extremely explicit, that you come to the job of being police chief in Minneapolis at a very specific moment with a very specific purpose.

You arrived just two years after a Minneapolis police officer murdered George Floyd at a moment of extremely low morale for the department and really high levels of distrust of the police department by the community.

And when you took this job, I went back and looked at the old clips.

You called Minneapolis ground zero for a global reckoning on policing, and you –

in the job, put in place sweeping reforms to try to rebuild trust, repair relationships between police and residents.

Just give us a couple examples of the reforms you put in place and that presumably are now being somewhat challenged by ISIS presence.

And from what you're saying, suddenly, as of a few weeks ago, all of that work