Michael Barbaro

This was fun.

Thank you.

If you liked this episode, and I hope you did, I have some great news for you.

Me and my two daily co-hosts, Rachel Abrams and Natalie Kitchoff, are going to be hosting The Daily on Sundays from here on out.

Today's episode was produced by Alex Barron with Tina Antolini and Luke Vanderpoek.

It was edited by Wendy Dorr with help from Paige Cowan and was engineered by Rowan Emisto.

It contains original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano, Diane Wong, and Alisha Ba'itu.

Special thanks to Ben Calhoun.

That's it for The Daily on Sunday.

I'm Michael Barbaro.

See you on Tuesday after the holiday.

We are living in interesting times, a turning point in history.

Are we entering a dark authoritarian era?

Or are we on the brink of a technological golden age or the apocalypse?

No one really knows, but I'm trying to find out.

From New York Times Opinion, I'm Ross Douthat.

And on my show, Interesting Times, I'm exploring this strange new world order with the thinkers and leaders giving it shape.

Follow it wherever you get your podcasts.

From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro.

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