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Michael Barbaro

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The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And just to be clear, when we say that this company is writing these rules.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

They're helping write rules that will then be drafted, adopted by local government.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Okay, so that is the first of what I imagine are many headaches.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So how does the company deal with that?

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

be American jobs.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So on top of all the tensions about rules, there are these cultural tensions, right?

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

being revealed between an international company trying to do this hard thing and a group of local American workers who are chafing at all that represents.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Mm-hmm.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

And of course, we haven't even gotten to the idea that there are neighbors to this vast complex who no doubt, because this is the United States, have some questions and concerns.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So an ancillary building nearby.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

In the course of reporting on all of these disputes and tensions, I'm curious where you found your sympathies lying.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Is it with a company that says, look, we're just trying to fulfill America's

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

pledge to have insurance against the worst-case scenarios.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

We're just trying to build a factory in the U.S.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

that makes sure you have access to chips, we have access to our clients.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

Did you find yourself instead more drawn to these American folks who said, wait a minute, these should be American jobs, or we did not sign up for this building in our community?

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

So I think, Peter, this brings us to the most important and most existential question of all to emerge from this reporting you did, which is, did all of the rigmarole involved in getting this project complete, did it make this a template for the reestablishment of manufacturing in the United States at a massive scale, or does it loom

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

as the cautionary tale for why it's just too hard to do this in the U.S.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

that would send similar companies, and perhaps those not getting a multibillion-dollar check from the U.S.

The Daily
The Messy Reality of ‘Made in America’

government, running in the other direction?