Michael Barbaro

The regime is in a shambles.

So let's talk about that possibility.

Based on what you know, what would it take for the opposition in Iran to become organized and confident enough to try to do what President Trump is encouraging them to do and that many of them have long wanted to do, which is take down this regime?

Understood.

But do you see any evidence that the U.S.

and Israel, in the targets that they've chosen and that they've struck, are trying to assist Israel?

the opposition, and trying to disassemble the tools of oppression that you just mentioned.

Which may or may not ever come to pass, of course.

And if there won't be any kind of a revolution here—

Is there, Farhan Oz, a leader within the regime that the U.S., that Israel might find tolerable, who they see as somebody who could, in theory, satisfy what remains of their regime, its loyalists, potentially be acceptable to the opposition, and that the U.S.

and Israel and its leaders feel they can do business with?

Basically, the kind of person that the U.S.

found in Venezuela after it arrested Nicolas Maduro.

Then I will back that leader.

Right.

In a very real sense, that would be at odds with regime change.

And so President Trump is going to have to decide what really matters most to him.

Right.

Changing the regime or creating a stable Iran, those may be in conflict.

Well, no matter who leads Iran next, I wonder if the events of the past few days...