Michael Barbaro

And I do want to talk about the president's message when he decided to send specifically immigration officers to Minneapolis.

I mean, he was pretty explicit about his thinking in his mind.

The Somali population in the city, which is sizable and well-known.

Yes.

He described it as a community that was sowing disorder, committing crimes.

Basically, in so many words, a community of troublemakers who should be deported.

And I wonder what you made of that and if it felt like that had been your experience as chief.

Well, from a crime perspective, was anything the president was saying true?

You're drawing a distinction between fraud and kind of traditional street crime.

But you're acknowledging that there's some level of fraud occurring perhaps in this community.

Perhaps that's what the president is referring to.

Yes.

In your mind, that's distinct from perhaps the crime that you and your officers are dealing with day in and day out.

Got it.

So in your mind, was this planned deployment, specifically of ICE agents that the president asked for, was it warranted?

So it sounds like for you, it's not the fact of ICE coming that is the issue.

It's the way that ICE came.

So let's talk about that.

So

The president makes his case that immigration enforcement should be happening on a larger scale in Minneapolis.