Michael Bird

And I think that's a good thing.

Technology is doing a good thing if it helps you sleep better at night.

Yeah, massive restructuring, massive restructuring.

But I think it's a response to just how complicated our mobile networks are.

I got my first mobile phone when I was about 11 or something.

They weren't smartphones.

There's no 3G or 4G or 5G.

But if you think nowadays what we're expecting of our phone networks, like how many different services and options and

that infrastructure has got more and more complicated.

And I think it's about making sure the infrastructure is fit for the task at hand.

If it was more simple, silos might have been the perfect way to do it.

But I think he said something like 50 systems.

And so that means 50 silos.

And so obviously it makes it slow and it makes discussions longer and it makes upgrades longer because all of those systems are integrated, but they're sort of separate.

So actually, if you can sort of start from scratch and be like, okay, if we're going to design this in 2026, how would we design it?

And that's how they did it.

Like, that does make sense.

Yeah, exactly.

Now, Sam, obviously, we're all quite familiar with telcos.

We've got phones in our pockets.