Michael Button

Whereas I feel like more mainstream, for want of a better word, I don't really like using that because I don't think there's such thing as a mainstream.

It's not like there's a group of people that all collectively decide, but...

And some particularly vocal mainstream kind of historians and scientists seem to claim to know absolute truth about the past.

And that's just stupid.

Like, how can anyone know about what happened 100,000 years ago or 200,000 years ago?

And it kind of gets me a little bit riled up because at the end of the day, none of us know what happened back then.

So I think a lot more possibilities are, you know, possible than what many people appreciate.

Yeah, I think Gobekli Tepe is the biggest kind of smoking gun, at least for the idea that civilization is older and more complex than the traditional model suggests, because obviously, as you say, it's like 12,000 years old and it's massive megalithic pillars.

I mean, you know about Gobekli Tepe, probably most people listening to this will know about Gobekli Tepe, but it's such a clear sign that sophisticated human culture was present way earlier than the

conventional timeline suggests and i think that at least should throw a monkey wrench into a lot of these people's ideas regarding human civilization and when it began because clearly the toolkit for civilization existed 12 000 years ago so how why couldn't it have existed a little bit earlier than that and why if it existed then did it then take another 6 000 years for it to emerge in ancient suma which is the kind of traditional thought to be the earliest civilization so

Quebec-Litapé is fascinating.

I love it.

It's a really interesting site.

I think it will one day be classed as civilization.

I'm almost certain that when enough time passes, we'll kind of look at that.

And because it's a whole culture, the whole Tashtapella culture, there's like 14 sites at least.

And they all have this kind of megalithic architecture.

They all have shared symbolism.

They all are clearly connected.

It's crazy how it's not defined as anything other than hunter-gatherers.