Michael Chiklis

So you like deception.

And that can take many shapes and forms because people think, well, drug cartels and magicians seem pretty far apart.

Right.

But they're both in the deception game.

Right.

Correct.

And...

And so do you write every day and do you write like with an eye towards things that could be translated into a Netflix series and that kind of stuff as well?

So what are some of the more interesting, compelling stories within the book, danger?

Yeah, they, I mean, if you watch the Cocaine Cowboys series, it's kind of nuts what they would do and how brazen they were.

Well, there's a kind of a resourcefulness of criminality that's a kind of a

very base kind of intelligence, like guys in prison can figure out a way to make wine in their toilet, you know?

I don't know.

And I suppose you need to be put in that position, like sort of trapped in the wilderness to make a hut for yourself.

But you get resourceful like fast, you know, or you die, but or you don't get any pruno.

But there's a kind of bottom line intelligence that they have that.

I don't think you get when you're in sort of the civilized world and you're in too much air conditioning and watching too much TV and staring at your phone.

You don't learn to think almost almost like pioneers, you know, and they become super innovative and they have semi submersibles and stuff like that.

Like.

It's all – and it's sad that it's sort of used for evil because it's really – it's impressive stuff.