Michael Harte

And as I would watch it,

I remember thinking this is, you know, she's been on TV since she was six years old, maybe even younger.

I had so much material.

I started to think myself, this is like the Truman Show.

You know, she has lived her life in front of a lens.

Yes.

And and so and also I think that goes a long way to.

why people kind of connect with Kylie, you know, because they've watched her grow up and because they've seen her develop and rise and fall and rise again, you know, we're not just connected to her music, we're actually connected to her as a person because we've watched her grow up and we've grown up with her.

No, that's so true, Clare.

That's a really good point.

And one of the first things she said to me when I interviewed her was, I don't like to be trapped in anything.

I don't like to be defined in a certain way.

And it really struck me when she said it.

So when I would look through the archive, I had that in my head.

And what I've noticed, what I noticed from watching like 30, 40 years of material is

Is that she always felt that even when she was 19 years old, you know, she goes on the Terry Wogan show and they say, you can't, you can't be a singer because, you know, you're an actor.

Or like you said, when in 1991, she decides to change her image, completely change her image.

And they're like, you can't dress like that because you are a pop star.

But she always kind of refused that.

to be defined and never to be told who you are.