Michael Knowles

So before you both, anyway, before you guys start going at it on this, it is worth pointing out, I'm pretty opposed to regime change in Iran, not because the regime is good, it's an evil regime, but because of your concerns, Matt.

The issue is, if this ceasefire holds,

then we actually are in a situation that is much closer to what we saw in Venezuela, which is they didn't get rid of the regime.

They didn't get rid of the party.

They got rid of the top of it.

They pointed a gun at number two, Delce Rodriguez, and said, play ball with us or you're next.

It'll be worse for you than it was for Maduro.

And the same could be true here.

If you get rid of...

Khamenei and who knows, Khamenei's junior seems to be in a coma right now, and you just keep taking out all that top level leadership, you leave the Islamic regime in place, then you avoid the fear of total chaos there where the genuinely bad actors might come in.

You cut off the potential of a flourishing, democratic, whatever, Iran, but you might have a rump regime in place that can maintain order and also deal on friendlier terms with the United States.

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