Michael Knowles

It was my, it was my move.

I hate all of it.

So, I mean, it's called having a family and your family should take care of you.

Like, period.

And I should not have to be paid by the federal government to take care of my family.

This is my general proposition in life.

It is one thing if you are in dire need, in dire poverty, and we're all trying to help make sure that your kids get fed or something.

I mean, we have programs for that.

But the idea that you have to pay me in order to go spend an hour with mom and redo her, that's just bad family stuff to me.

This is the biggest problem, I think, on –

Maybe the integralist, right?

This idea that the government has a role in everything that virtue should actually just fill.

And this is why when people say, you know, capitalism is emptying America of her virtue.

It's like, well, no, you can be virtuous and also think that the federal government ought not spend my money paying you to go visit your mom.

And in fact, one of the things that you learn when you raise kids is that when you incentivize kids to do the things that they should do, they end up doing it less often, actually.

Like, if you have an expectation that your kids do chores, for example, without compensating them, they will do chores and they will be better about it than if you actually pay them to do their chores.

Because you pay them to do their chores, now they feel like they're giving you a service in exchange for the thing.

And so without the pay, they're going to stop doing the thing, right?

It's a Pavlovian incentive structure.

And so I think one of the things this comes down to is you guys have both seen Cinderella Man.