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Michael Levin

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

There's never been selection to be a good xenobot.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

These cells find themselves in the new environment.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

In 48 hours, they figure out how to be an entirely different

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

proto-organism with new capacities like kinematic self-replication.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

That's not how frogs or tadpoles replicate.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

We've made it impossible for them to replicate their normal way.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Within a couple of days, these guys find a new way of doing it that's not done anywhere else in the biosphere.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So a xenobot is a self-assembling little proto-organism.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

It's also a biological robot.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Those things are not distinct.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

It's a member of both classes.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

At this point, most of it is biology because what we're doing is we're discovering natural behaviors of the cells and also of the cell collectives.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Now, one of the really important parts of this was that we're working together with Josh Bongard's group at University of Vermont.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

They're computer scientists, do AI research.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

And they've basically been able to use an evolutionary, a simulated evolution approach to ask, how can we manipulate these cells, give them signals, not rewire their DNA, so not hardware, but experience signals.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So can we remove some cells?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Can we add some cells?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Can we poke them in different ways to get them to do other things?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So in the future, there's going to be, you know, we're now, and this is future unpublished work, but we're doing all sorts of interesting ways to reprogram them to new behaviors.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

But before you can start to reprogram these things, you have to understand what their innate capacities are.