Michael Levin

Like, it's fine to have categories for specific capabilities, but it's...

It actually, I think it actually makes, makes for much more rigorous discussions because it makes you say, what is it that you're claiming this thing does?

And it works in both directions.

So, and so some people will say, well, that's a, that's a cell that can't be intelligent.

And I'll say, well, let's be very specific.

Here are some claims about, here's some problem solving that it's doing to tell me why that doesn't, you know, why doesn't that match?

Or in the opposite direction, somebody comes to me and says, you're right.

You're right.

You know, the whole, the whole solar system, man, it's just like this amazing

Like, okay, what is it doing?

Like, tell me, tell me what tools of cognitive and behavioral science are you using to reach that conclusion, right?

And so I think, I think it's actually much more productive to take this operational stance and say, tell me what protocols you think you can deploy with this thing that would lead you to use these terms.

It's a very important thinking aid to, first of all, you know, what they call steel manning, right?

To try to make the strongest possible case for the other side.

And to ask yourself, okay, what are all the places that I'm sort of glossing over because I don't know exactly what to say?

And where are all the holes in the argument?

And what would, you know...

a really good critique really look like, yeah.

They're definitely correlated.

So I want to preface this with one thing.