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Michael Levin

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

I can trust it, I can ignore it, I can do various things with it, whatever, but I know it comes from the outside.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Now imagine instead that you have two cells with a gap junction between them.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Something happens.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Let's say this cell gets poked.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

There's a calcium spike.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

The calcium spike or whatever small molecule signal propagates through the gap junction to this cell.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

There's no ownership metadata on that signal.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

This cell does not know now that it came from outside because it looks exactly like its own memories would have looked like of whatever had happened, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So gap junctions, to some extent, wipe ownership information on data, which means that if you and I are sharing memories and we can't quite tell who the memories belong to, that's the beginning of a mind melt.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

That's the beginning of a scale up of cognition from here's me and here's you to no, now there's just us.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

That's right.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

It helps.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

It's the beginning.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

It's not the whole story by any means, but it's the start.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

There are many, many layers to this as always in biology.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So there are chemical networks.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So for example, gene regulatory networks, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

Which, which are, or basically any kind of chemical pathway where different chemicals activate and repress each other, they can store memories.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ€“ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots

So in a dynamical system sense, they can store memories.