Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
And here's an example of that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
This was done, this was an old experiment going back to the 40s, but basically, imagine, it's a newt, a salamander, and it's got these little tubules that go to the kidneys, right, this little tube.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
Take a cross-section of that tube, you see 8 to 10 cells that have cooperated to make this little tube and cross-section, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
So one amazing thing you can do is you can mess with the very early cell division to make the cells gigantic, bigger.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
You can make them different sizes.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
You can force them to be different sizes.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
So if you make the cells different sizes, the whole nude is still the same size.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
So if you take a cross-section through that tubule, instead of 8 to 10 cells, you might have 4 or 5, or you might have 3, until...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
You make the cell so enormous that one single cell wraps around itself
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
And gives you that same large-scale structure with a completely different molecular mechanism.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
So now instead of cell-to-cell communication to make a tubule, instead of that, it's one cell using the cytoskeleton to bend itself around.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
So think about what that means.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
In the service of a large-scale, talk about top-down control, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
In the service of a large-scale anatomical feature, different molecular mechanisms get called up.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
So now, think about this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
You're a nude cell and trying to make an embryo.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
If you had a fixed idea of who was supposed to do what, you'd be screwed because now your cells are gigantic.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
Nothing would work.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
There's an incredible tolerance for changes in the size of the parts and the amount of DNA in those parts, all sorts of stuff.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#325 โ Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots
The life is highly interoperable.