Michael Levin

And I want you to tell me what your theory says about this being, what it's like to be this being.

The only thing I can imagine you giving me is some piece of art, a poem or something that once I've taken it in, I share, I now have a similar state as whatever.

That's about as good as I can come up with.

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that.

I mean, especially intelligence, I think, is a publicly observable thing.

And I mean, you know, science fiction has dealt with this for a century or much more, maybe, this idea that when you are confronted with something that...

just doesn't meet any of your typical assumptions so you can't look in the skull and say oh well there's that frontal cortex so then i guess we're good right if it's if it's you know so so this thing lands on your front lawn and this you know what the little door opens and something trundles out and it's sort of like um you know kind of shiny and aluminum looking and it hands you this uh you know it hands you this poem that it wrote while it was on you

know, flying over and how happy it is to meet you.

Like what are, what's going to be your criteria, right?

For whether, whether you get to take it apart and see what makes a tick or whether you have to, you know, be nice to it and, and whatever, right?

Like all the, all the criteria that we have now and you know, that people are using.

And as you said, a lot of people are down on the Turing test and things like this, but, but what else have we got?

You know, because measuring, measuring a cortex size isn't going to, isn't going to cut it right in the broader scheme of things.

So, uh, I think this is, it's, it's a wide open, it's a wide open problem that, right.

That, that we, you know, our, our solution to the problem of other minds, it's very simplistic, right?

We, we give each other credit for having minds just because we sort of on a, you know, on an anatomical level, we're pretty similar.

And then, so that's good enough, but how far, how far is that going to go?

So I think that's really primitive.

So, um, yeah, I think, I think it's a major unsolved problem.

Yeah.