Michael Levin

And so empirically, what we found is that it tends to merge first.

It tends to merge first, and then the whole thing goes.

But it's really interesting that that calculates.

I mean, I'm not an expert in the economic game theory and all that, but maybe there's some sort of hyperbolic discounting or something.

But maybe this idea that the actions you take not only change your payoff, but

But they change who or what you are and that you may not, you could take an action after which you don't exist anymore or you are radically changed or you are merged with somebody else.

Like that's, you know, as far as I know, that's a whole, you know, we're still missing a formalism for even knowing how to model any of that.

I think evolution is inevitable in the sense that if you combine... And basically, I think one of the most useful things that was done in early computing, I guess in the 60s, it started with evolutionary computation and just showing how...

simple it is that if you have, if you have imperfect heredity and competition together, those two things were three things, right?

So heredity, imperfect heredity and competition or selection, those three things.

And that's it.

Now, now, now you're, you're off through the races, right?

And so that can be, it's not just on earth because it can be done in the computer.

It can be done in chemical systems.

It can be done in, um, you know, Lee Smolin says it's, it, it works in, on, on, um, you know, cosmic scales.

So I think that, uh,

that kind of thing is incredibly pervasive and general.

It's a general feature of life.

It's interesting to think about, you know, the standard thought about this is that it's blind, right?

Meaning that the intelligence of the process is zero.