Michael Levin

If the immune system can be taught to recognize enough of the cancer cells, that's a pretty good approach.

But I think our approach is in a way more fundamental because if you can keep the cells harnessed towards organ-level goals as opposed to individual cell goals, then nobody will be making a tumor or metastasizing and so on.

as far as I know, and I haven't been able to find this paper again, but, but somewhere I saw in the last couple of months, there was some, there was some papers showing an example of a virus that actually had physiology.

So there was some, something was going on.

I think proton flux or something on the virus itself, but, but barring that, uh, generally speaking, viruses are very passive.

They don't do anything by themselves.

And so I don't see any particular reason to attribute much of a mind to them.

I think, um, you know, uh,

they represent a way to hijack other minds, for sure, like cells and other things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, the whole category that I, um,

This question of what's living and what's not living, I really – I'm not sure.

And I know there's people that work on this and I don't want to piss anybody off.

But I have not found that particularly useful as to try and make that a binary kind of distinction.

I think level of cognition is very interesting as a continuum.

But living and non-living –

I really know what to do with that.

I don't know what you do next after making that distinction.

Yeah.