Michael Levin

So all of this, I'm sure, is happening somewhere on some planet.

So death, in any case, I mean, we already kind of knew this because the molecules, we know that when something dies, the molecules go through the ecosystem.

But

Even the cells don't necessarily die at that point.

They might have another life in a different way.

And you can think about something like HeLa, right?

The HeLa cell line, you know, that has this, that's had this incredible life.

There are way more HeLa cells now than there ever been, than there were when she was alive.

Yeah.

I mean, one thing, so one thing about the human light, cognitive light cone is that for the first, as far as we know, for the first time, you might have goals that are longer than your lifespan, that are not achievable, right?

Yeah.

So if you're if you are, let's say, and I don't know if this is true, but if you're a goldfish and you have a 10 minute attention span, I'm not sure if that's true.

But let's say let's say there's some organism with a with a short, you know, kind of cognitive light cone that way.

All of your goals are potentially achievable because you're probably going to live the next 10 minutes.

So whatever goals you have, they are totally achievable.

If you're a human, you could have all kinds of goals that are guaranteed not achievable because they just take too long, like guaranteed you're not going to achieve them.

So I wonder if, you know, is that a perennial sort of thorn in our psychology that drives some psychoses or whatever?

I have no idea.

Another interesting thing about that, actually, and I've been thinking about this a lot in the last couple of weeks, this notion of giving up.

So you would think that...