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Michael Levin

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

So there are cells, there are molecular networks, there are materials, there are organs and tissues and synthetic beings and biobots and whatever.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And so the idea is if I want your cells to regrow a limb, for example, if you're injured and I want your cells to regrow a limb,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

I have many options.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

Some of those options are I'm going to micromanage all of the molecular events that have to happen.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

Right.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And there's an incredible number of those.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

Or maybe I just have to micromanage the cells and the stem cell kinds of signaling factors.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

Or maybe actually I can give the cells a very high level signal.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

prompt that says you really should build the limb and convince them to do it, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And so where, which of those is possible?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

I mean, clearly people have a lot of intuitions about that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

If you ask standard people in regenerative medicine and molecular biology, they're going to say, well, that convincing thing is crazy.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

What we really should be doing is talking to the cells or better yet, the molecular networks.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And in fact, all the excitement of the biological sciences today are at single molecule approaches and big data and genomics and all of that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

The assumption is that going down is where the action is going to be, going down in scale.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And I think that's wrong.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

But the thing that we can say for sure is that you can't guess that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

You have to do experiments and you have to see because you don't know where any given system is on that spectrum of persuadability.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And it turns out that every time we look and we take tools from behavioral science, so learning, different kinds of training, different kinds of

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 – Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

that are used in active inference and surprise minimization and perceptual multi-stability and visual illusions and all these kinds of interesting things, you know, stress perception and memory, active memory reconstruction, all these interesting things, when we apply them outside the brain to other kinds of living systems, we find novel discoveries and novel capabilities actually being able to get the material to do new things that nobody had ever found before.