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Michael Levin

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

But they're alien in a couple of important ways.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

One is the space they live in is very hard for us to imagine.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

What space do they live in?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

Well...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

your body, your body cells, long before we had a brain that was good for navigating three-dimensional space, was navigating the space of anatomical possibilities.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

It was going from, you start as an egg and you have to become, you know, a snake or, you know, a giraffe or whatever, or a human, whatever, whatever we're going to be.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

And I specifically am telling you that

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

This general idea when people model that with kind of cellular automata type of ideas, this open loop kind of thing where, well, everything just follows local rules and eventually there's complexity and here you go, now you've got a giraffe or a human.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

I'm specifically telling you that that model is totally insufficient to grasp what's actually going on.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

What's actually going on, and there have been many, many experiments on this,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

is that the system is navigating a space.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

It is navigating a space of anatomical possibilities.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

If you try to block where it's going, it will try to get around you.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

If you try to challenge it with things it's never seen before, it will try to come up with a solution.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

If you really defeat its ability to do that, which you can, they're not infinitely intelligent, so you can defeat them, you will either get birth defects or you will get creative problem solving, such as what you're seeing here with Xenobots and Anthrobots.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

If you can't be a human,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

you'll find another way to be in.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

You can be an anthropod, for example, or you'll be something else.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

The will thing, let's put that aside because that's it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ€“ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life

Well, it's fine.