Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Now, once you've made those hypotheses, now you do the experiments.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
You say, okay, if I want to block it from reaching its goal, how do I do that?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
And this, by the way, is exactly the approach we took with the sorting algorithms and with everything else.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
You hypothesize the goal, you put a barrier in, and then...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
you get to find out what level of ingenuity it has.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Maybe what you see is, well, that derailed everything, so probably this thing isn't very smart.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Or you see, wow, it can go around and do these things.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Or you might see, wow, it's taking a completely different approach, using its affordances in novel ways.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
That's a high level of intelligence.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
You will find out what the answer is.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Yeah.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Okay, if you want to get really weird, we can get really weird here.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Think about the caterpillar-butterfly transition, okay?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
So you got a caterpillar, soft-bodied kind of creature, has a particular controller that's suitable for running a soft-bodied, you know, kind of robot.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
It has a brain for that task, and then it has to become this butterfly, hard-bodied creature, flies around, okay?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
During the process of metamorphosis, its brain is basically ripped up and rebuilt from scratch.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Now, what's been found is that if you train the caterpillar, so you give it a new memory, meaning that if the caterpillar sees this color disc, then it crawls over and eats some leaves.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Turns out the butterfly retains that memory.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Now, the obvious question is how the hell do you retain memories when the medium is being refactored like that?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#486 โ Michael Levin: Hidden Reality of Alien Intelligence & Biological Life
Let's put that aside.