Michael Levin

And when we come across them, we'll write them down.

That's that's one.

The upside is you get to be a physicalist and you get to keep your your sparse ontology.

The downside is I find it incredibly pessimistic and mysterious because.

you're basically then just willing to make a catalog of these amazing patterns.

Why not instead, and this is why I started with this platonic terminology, why not do what the mathematicians already do?

A huge number of them say,

we are gonna make the same optimistic assumption that science makes, that there's an underlying structure to that latent space.

It's not like a random grab bag of stuff.

There's a space to it where these patterns come from.

And by studying them systematically, we can get from one to another.

We can map out the space.

We can find out the relationships between them.

We can get an idea of what's in that space.

And we're not going to assume that it's just random.

We're going to assume there's some kind of structure to it.

And you'll see all kinds of people, I mean, well-known mathematicians that talk about this stuff, Penrose and lots of other people, who will say that, yeah, there's another space

physically.

And it has spatial structure, it has components to it, and so on.

We can traverse that space in various ways.