Michael Levin

So facts about triangles and Fibonacci, you know, patterns and fractals and things like that.

But also, if you make more complex interfaces, such as biologicals, but importantly, not just biologicals, but let's say cells and embryos and tissues, what you will then pull down is much more complex patterns that we say, ah, that's a mind, that's a human mind, or that's a snake mind or whatever.

So I think the mind brain relationship is exactly the kind of thing that the math physics relationship is, that in some very interesting way, there are truths of mathematics that become embodied and they kind of haunt physical objects.

In a very specific functional way.

And in the exact same way, there are other patterns that are much more complex, higher agency patterns that basically inform living things that we see as obvious embodied minds.

Yeah.

Okay.

Let's try it this way.

There are certain facts of mathematics.

So the distribution of prime numbers, right, that if you map them out, they make these nice spirals.

And there's an image that I often show, which is a very particular kind of fractal.

And that fractal is the Halley map, which is it's pretty awesome that it actually looks very organic.

It looks very biological.

So if you look at that thing, that image, which has a very specific complex structure, it's a map of a very compact mathematical object.

That formula is like, you know, Z cubed plus seven.

It's something like that.

That's it.

So now you look at that structure and you say, where does that actually come from?

It's definitely not packed into the ZQ plus seven.

There's not enough bits in that to give you all of that.