Michael Levin

That's not what I'm, that's not the leap I'm asking us to make.

I'm saying that depending on your embodiment, depending on your interface, and this is increasingly going to be more relevant as we make, first, augmented humans that have sensory substitution.

You're going to be walking around.

Your friend's going to be like, oh, man, I have this primary perception of the solar weather in the stock market because I got those implants.

And what do you see?

Well, I see the, you know, the traffic of the Internet through the, you know, Trans-Pacific Channel.

We're all going to be living in somewhat different worlds.

That's the first thing.

The second thing is we're going to become better attuned to other beings, whether they be cells, tissues.

You know, what's what's it like to be a cell living in a 20,000 dimensional transcriptional space?

OK, to novel beings that have never been here before, that have all kinds of crazy spaces that they live in.

And that might be AIs, it might be cyborgs, it might be hybrids, it might be all sorts of things.

So this idea that we have a consensus reality here that's independent of some very specifically chosen aspects of our brain and our interaction, we're going to have to give that up no matter what to relate to these other beings.

Yeah, which is exactly what we're trying to do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

OK.

I mean, so that's the beautiful part about this.

And this is why I'm talking about this now, where I wasn't, you know, about a year ago, up until a year ago, I was never talking about this because I think this is now actionable.

So there's this diagram that's called a map of mathematics, and they basically try to show how all the different pieces of math link together.