Michael Levin

I mean, they're generally a pretty sophisticated bunch.

I just think they've picked a level and they're going to discover what is to be seen at that level, which is a lot.

And my point is the stuff that the behavior scientists are interested in shows up at a much lower level than you think.

So right now we've looked at like five other systems.

That's a small N, okay?

But just looking at that, I would find it very surprising if bubble sort was able to do this and then there was some sort of valley of death where nothing showed up and then blah, blah, living things.

Like, I can't imagine that.

I'm going to say that if something, and we actually have a system that's even simpler than this, which is 1D cellular automata that's doing some weird stuff.

If these things are to be found in this kind of simple system,

I mean, they just have to be showing up in, in these other more complex AIs and things like that.

The only thing what, what we don't know, but we're going to find out is to what extent there is interaction between these.

So I call these things side quests, you know, it's like, they're like, like, like in a game, you know, whether it's the main thing you're supposed to do.

And then as long as, as long as you still do it, the thing about this is you have to sort.

You have to sort.

There's no miracle.

You're going to sort.

But as long as you can do other stuff while you're sorting, it's not forbidden.

And what we don't know is to what extent are the two things linked.

So if you do have a system that's very good at language, are the side quests that it's capable of, do they have anything to do with language whatsoever?

We don't know the answer to that.