Michael Lewis

A lot of times, most of that ability to get to that level is within you, and it's what you did, and it's what you put in, and it's what you sacrificed, and it's all those things that while getting help, no doubt, you were the one that got it done.

This second career of ours is the opposite, where without you guys listening right now and watching, we really are nothing.

So you look back at the NHL, and I take a lot more credit for what I did playing hockey than what I've done as a podcaster.

Because without you guys, there's literally nothing.

There's no pod.

There's no anything.

It was an idea and a thought.

that turned into something that's beyond my and Keith and Biz's wildest imagination.

I hope you know we're being honest.

At least personally, this thing started, I was literally going over to RAs to shoot the shit about hockey just to get out of the house.

I didn't have kids.

I didn't know what I was going to do.

All right, well, this is something.

And I was a barstool fan.

And I don't know, not a plan, not an idea, not even a thought to make any money.

I'm truthfully telling you that.

And then as it progresses and it gets bigger and biz hops on, it's like, wow, we have something pretty, pretty special here.

And all the guys have done interviews.

But I come back to the fans and more fans and more fans and a guy telling his buddy and another guy telling another buddy.

And all of a sudden, like we've grown up as podcasters and as people in our second careers with with you as fans.