Michael Lynton

And if we can get and I've seen already some positive indication that it's having that it's having a good result.

That's really the reason we did this.

you gotta find a mistake that comes down to a moment, which this did, and that you're personally responsible for, which this did.

I think the magnitude of it

help to sort of illustrate the point.

Um, and, and, and, and that, that doesn't hurt either.

Um, and the fact that I just carried the shame around with me, I really did want to deal with this particular mistake.

You know, there aren't that many things that I felt as strongly about or carried with me the way that I carried this mistake.

So I wanted to deal with that.

For sure.

Yes.

And even, you know, the idea of talking about it the way I'm talking about it with you or putting it into the book or the excerpts in the newspapers, that in and of itself was, you know, a little bit scary to do.

But I'm glad I've done it now.

Exactly.

And I definitely would not have been able to do that a few years ago.

Not a chance.

Absolutely.

Now I do.

And you're right.

You know, closer to the time, and it's been almost a decade now, it was in my head every day.