Michael Miley

So that's absolutely the case.

And the reality is that if you buy an acre of land and farm it, you're paying tax on the first euro you earn.

Whereas if you buy an acre of land and using the system that's there, you rent it out.

you benefit from the tax release there for leasing of land, which was meant to be for generational renewal.

But actually, it's now become probably something that's counterproductive.

Yes and no, because the famous story of Solomon and the baby, where King Solomon was approached by two women claiming to own one baby and his solution was to cut the baby in half, which would, of course, kill the baby.

We're kind of in that situation.

Any politician who tries to prescribe land use for best purpose in the national interest will probably have to kill thousands of livelihoods.

and take farmers out of what they're doing at the moment against their will.

So that's not going to be simple.

Just to correct you, respectfully, I haven't been sitting on it.

I received the report in July of this year.

It's three departments.

So this is Butterfly Conservation Ireland's reserve.

Butterflies are funny creatures in the sense that you can have very warm weather and you won't see any until a certain time of the day.

We're a little bit early, but we should be seeing them.

You can see a nice dragonfly over there.

That's a four-spotted chaser.

And we're on millennia grassland.

So this is purple moor grass.