Michael Moynihan
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842 appearances
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2 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard May 2025
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with us bringing Ukraine into NATO in the middle of a war, which then obligates US troops to get involved. So what we did and what Secretary Hegseth did was state the obvious, talk to the white elephant in the room, and if we're going to get to the negotiating table with the Russians quickly,
I think that needed to be said and everybody in the room knew it, even though they were kind of aghast and clutching their pearls in Europe. And then the other piece was on the borders. But does anyone and I've asked this of my European counterparts, is anyone willing to go to the microphone and say that we're going to expel every Russian from every inch of Ukrainian soil, including Crimea?
Because that's essentially what the 20 the the 2014 border pre 2014 border was. No. I mean, it's a statement of reality, and that's the reality that we're living in, whether it's what's going to happen to 1.8 million people living in death and devastation in Gaza. Like, can that really happen for the next 15 years? Or this. I mean, President Trump's very common sense.
We're taking these issues head on. And I think no one should be – of the notion that somehow he's going to get played by President Putin. That is not going to be the case. He's the dealmaker in chief. And if it weren't for him, we wouldn't even be having these conversations.
Well, this is always, just in an objective look at it, going to be some type of territory, particularly after Ukraine's counter offensive in 2023 failed. And again, we're talking all of Crimea here, some type of territory for some type of security guarantee. We fully support France now saying that they'll get involved in the security guarantee. Macron is coming to the White House.
UK saying that they will get involved in the security guarantee. There are some fundamental first principles here. One, this is a permanent end to this war, not another temporary stop like we had from 2014 to 2022. that there will be security guarantees involved for the future of Ukraine so that we ensure that this doesn't start up again. There will have to be some type of territory concession.
By Ukraine? I think or by Putin, because I thought we're on the list. I guess by by both. And so he's going to have to give back. We can't even get to that conversation unless we engage both. No, no, I get it.
I mean, it's ridiculous, right? But that's what we've heard all week. Oh, my God, I can't believe you talked. And then I went to Riyadh with Marco Rubio and others and furthered those discussions.
We just talked about security guarantees that you said right out the bat, Russia's not going to be happy.
And then I think the final piece, which is the back and forth with Zelensky this week, is he himself came to New York last September, he's Zelensky, and started talking about critical minerals, partnerships. I mean, that was his idea as part of his victory plan that he proposed, including talking to President Trump about it.
So now to act like this came out of the blue, we found a bit puzzling when we personally sent our treasury secretary there to say, okay, let's do a deal. What are you offering? And I can't think of any better security guarantee than to be invested with the United States of America. As I said at the press conference with Caroline Levitt,
they have an aluminum plant that could satisfy 100% of the United States imports if that thing was fully operational. They have critical minerals like gallium and tritium and vast reserves that could satisfy a third to a half of our import needs if they were at full capacity, if we had an investment mechanism. So
What I've been on the phone all week with President Zelensky's team is saying, you need to see this as growing the pie. And 50% of a much larger pie is better than 100% of what you have now, which has been you know, essentially devastated or undeveloped. So to be co-invested with us for the long term, I think is a tremendous opportunity for them.
And we have to restructure the conversation around our aid. The Europeans are doing it in the form of loans. They're actually paying for their loans on the interest of frozen Russian assets
yet all of ours have been grants now for three years uh you know i mean the american taxpayer deserves some type of recoupment and if we do that in a way that's mutually beneficial then that's good for everyone that wasn't even discussed under the biden administration it was just handouts and now finally we're talking about what what about us yeah what about what about you know
Not only are they saying they're willing to do it, they're putting operational plans in place with the NATO Secretary General and President Trump and I and others have openly said, again, a first premise is Europe has to take more responsibility. for their own security.
The capability question is why they have to invest in their own defense. The other thing we've said that is unacceptable is we have a NATO summit heads of state summit this June, and we will still be at a third of all NATO members haven't met the minimum of 2% of GDP that they pledged to do a decade ago, over a decade ago. They just want us to take care of it. They just want, right?
This is a lot of kind of, you know, chirping and hand-wringing about what the United States should do with its taxpayer money. Yeah. And they need to come to the table, and both Macron and Prime Minister Storm of the UK and the NATO Secretary General have said this was a kind of a shocking wake-up call. Guys, you've been hearing us say this now. We meant it. We meant it.
And President Trump means it. And I mean it. And Secretary Rubio means it. Pete Hegseth means it.
Two different conversations about security guarantees of European troops right on the edge of a hot war in Ukraine that is not a NATO member versus defending our NATO allies if attacked. Those are two separate conversations. We support NATO. We support Article 5. But you've heard President Trump's
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