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Michael Pollan

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The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You have spotlight consciousness.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I have spotlight consciousness.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

So I'm curious to hear you talk a bit about that because on the one hand, it feels like that idea would imply consciousness becomes richer as you become more goal-directed.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But I think it's quite clear that it becomes narrowed as you become more goal-directed.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I think it's almost inarguable.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I want to get at another theory of what consciousness is for.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I think the language in the book is consciousness is felt uncertainty.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Isn't that beautiful?

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

That is very beautiful.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Although in practice, I find it very unpleasant.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But...

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

What does that mean?

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I think I've thought about this part of the book more than any other.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And I think that's in part because the way my mind works, and I'm not sure how generalizable this is.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

My thoughts attract to uncertainty in my life.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I just ruminate and ruminate and ruminate over whatever I am typically most emotionally uncertain about.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Not always, by the way, the most useful forms of uncertainty.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

There are other unsolved problems.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It would be better if my mind was interested in thinking about, but I get it.