Michael Pollan

And I think it's really interesting, the felt experience of truth on something that people who up until that moment would only accept what they could prove and were reducing everything to the provable.

Like they know they ingested a chemical, right?

And yet, what that felt like, they're not willing to dismiss.

So the idealism theory is related to this idea.

You bring it up in the book.

I think you're the first person who I'd ever heard about this from.

This idea that the mind may be sort of like an antenna.

Yeah, or a radio receiver.

It's not generating the consciousness.

It is receiving some kind of signal and then interpreting it.

Yeah.

And in the same way that if you break a TV... It's not going to work anymore.

It's not going to work, but that doesn't mean...

What level of plausibility do you assign to that?

To what?

I guess either, but I think I'm thinking of the more novel brain as radio receiver.

It's a very fun tour.

I told you at the beginning of this, I'd give you my theory of the book towards the end of our conversation.

When we sat down around How to Change Your Mind, your book on psychedelics, I told you that I thought that was a book about the mind posing as a book about psychedelics.

And I kind of think this is a book about psychedelics posing as a book about the mind.