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Michael Pollan

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

This is happening.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

Millions of people.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

are falling in love with chatbots or using them as therapists or friends.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And I think this is really alarming because these are not real relationships.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

They have none of the friction of a real human relationship.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And that friction is important.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

It helps us define ourselves.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

But, you know, the chatbots are just sycophantic.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

They just suck up to us and make us feel really good.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

There have been chatbots that have convinced individuals that they had solved profound problems in physics or mathematics.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

These are people who are neither physicists or mathematicians.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

ChatGPT4, which famously was sycophantic, had convinced them that they were geniuses.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And other people have been convinced that they're gods.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

So I think we have a real problem as people accept computers as the equivalent of people and grant personhood.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

Even within Anthropic, another AI company that has a chatbot named Claude, they treat Claude as if he is conscious.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

If you read the constitution of Claude they just released.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

So they want to have it both ways in Silicon Valley.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

They want to disclaim that they've created this conscious thing with the kind of language you just read.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

On the other hand, that's the power of this technology is convincing people that it's conscious.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And that's what they're selling to a lot of people.