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Michael Pollan

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Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

Yeah.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

So I got very interested in the contents of consciousness, not just the mechanisms of generating consciousness.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And one of the scientists I made my way toward is a Romanian-Canadian scientist named Kalina Christophe Hadjilevia.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And she studies spontaneous thought, which I didn't realize is a whole field.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

There's even an Oxford handbook of spontaneous thought.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And spontaneous thought are things like mind wandering and daydreaming and creative thought and flow.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And this is all – and this doesn't get a lot of attention.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

Most of science has been focused on productive kinds of thought like rationality and logic because –

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

It has more use in our culture.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

But she argues that spontaneous thought is really important to our well-being and happiness and that we don't get as much of it as we should.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And that she does some interesting experiments.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

She'll put someone in an fMRI machine.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

She'll do this with experienced meditators, and she'll give them a button to press when a thought intrudes.

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Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

Because even if you're an experienced meditator, she says every 10 seconds or so, a thought will intrude.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And you press the button.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

And what she's discovered is really spooky.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

She sees activity in the hippocampus.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

where our memories are stored and other things too, four seconds before the meditator realizes the thought had entered consciousness.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

So there's something going on, some processing of these subconscious thoughts before they enter our awareness.

Fresh Air
Best Of: The life and legacy of Fela Kuti / Michael Pollan on consciousness

It may be they're competing with other thoughts to get there.